Jump to content

* * * * - 1 votes

The Holocaust Never Happened! International Agencies Say So


  • Please log in to reply
7 replies to this topic

#1 skylark


    A Chief Ufologiist

  • Administrators
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,045 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 15 February 2015 - 04:34 PM

The Holocaust Never Happened

-These are the facts/not allowed to be talked about in Europe-

Edited/summarized by ‘Sweeps’ Fox


*'Sweeps' Note:

...Europe, protecting 'free speech' after the incident(s) in Paris/Denmark/etc? Don't make me cry and laugh at the same time. Below is the ACTUAL account of several International Agencies regarding the 'HOLOCAUST'...which NEVER happened, and how this MYTH came about and supported to this very day-and with harsh punishments to YOUR 'Free Speech' if disclosed/challenged/uttered/or otherwise even mentioned.

I 'do not' want, ever again, to GIVE IN to this type of intimidation of 'free speech' by ANY authority/Myth maker/or Political necessity. Simply put...'There were more Jews worldwide, after the WAR then before the WAR'/'S'


1.-Census show no 6 million decrease of the Jewish population in Europe happened after the war.
2.-The gas said used to kill the prisoners (Cyclon B) leaves very specific traces in the places were it is used. No chamber or rooms in German concentration camps have traces of Cyclon B.
3.-There are no written orders to attack or exterminate the Jews from the SS, Hitler or Germany.
4.-There are no 6 million bodies buried in the concentration camps and no ashes that would suggest they were buried. The water level in Auswitch is 1 meter deep, this means you cannot bury anything below that depth.
5.-The first written information about the holocaust dates from 1942, before the Germans moved the "unwanted" (Jews, gays, gipsy, etc.) to the camps.

Everything leaves a trace (watch CSI).

One other thing…in WW1 the US recruited soldiers by saying that the Germans where eating and killing Belgian babies.



Some interesting facts:
Though six million Jews supposedly died in the gas chambers, not one body has ever been autopsied and found to have died of gas poisoning.
Even if we threw away all the evidence and accounted for every so-called gas chamber, it would have taken 68 YEARS to accomplish gassing six million Jews!
The Diary of Anne Frank is a hoax. Portions of the diary were written with a ball point pen. These pens were not in use at the time Anne Frank lived.





For years, Jews have told people around the world that six million of them were systematically murdered in German "Concentration Camps" during World War 2. Anyone disputing this claim has been viciously smeared as a hateful anti-Semite. Countries around the world have even jailed people for disputing the claim that 6 Million were killed.



Here now, for all the world to see, is a scanned image of an Official International Red Cross document proving the so-called "Holocaust" never happened. Jews around the world intentionally lied for the purpose of gaining emotional and business advantages for themselves. They committed willful, criminal FRAUD upon millions around the world!

"The Holocaust" is the greatest lie ever told. Millions of dollars have been paid out to "holocaust survivors" and their descendants for something that DID NOT HAPPEN. This is intentional, criminal fraud on a scale so massive as to be almost incomprehensible.

Below is the scanned image of the Official Death Total report from the International Red Cross.


No Evidence Of Genocide • Friday, Jan. 28, 2005 at 7:09 AM

No Evidence Of Genocide The Jews And The Concentration Camps:
A Factual Appraisal By The Red Cross.

There is one survey of the Jewish question in Europe during World War Two and the conditions of Germany's concentration camps which is almost unique in its honesty and objectivity, the three-volume Report of the International Committee of the Red Cross on its Activities during the Second World War, Geneva, 1948.

This comprehensive account from an entirely neutral source incorporated and expanded the findings of two previous works: Documents sur l'activité du CICR en faveur des civils détenus dans les camps de concentration en Allemagne 1939-1945 (Geneva, 1946), and Inter Arma Caritas: the Work of the ICRC during the Second World War (Geneva, 1947). The team of authors, headed by Frédéric Siordet, explained in the opening pages of the Report that their object, in the tradition of the Red Cross, had been strict political neutrality, and herein lies its great value.

The ICRC successfully applied the 1929 Geneva military convention in order to gain access to civilian internees held in Central and Western Europe by the Germany authorities. By contrast, the ICRC was unable to gain any access to the Soviet Union, which had failed to ratify the Convention. The millions of civilian and military internees held in the USSR, whose conditions were known to be by far the worst, were completely cut off from any international contact or supervision.

The Red Cross Report is of value in that it first clarifies the legitimate circumstances under which Jews were detained in concentration camps, i.e. as enemy aliens. In describing the two categories of civilian internees, the Report distinguishes the second type as "Civilians deported on administrative grounds (in German, "Schutzhäftlinge"), who were arrested for political or racial motives because their presence was considered a danger to the State or the occupation forces" (Vol. 111, p. 73). These persons, it continues, "were placed on the same footing as persons arrested or imprisoned under common law for security reasons." (P.74).

The Report admits that the Germans were at first reluctant to permit supervision by the Red Cross of people detained on grounds relating to security, but by the latter part of 1942, the ICRC obtained important concessions from Germany. They were permitted to distribute food parcels to major concentration camps in Germany from August 1942, and "from February 1943 onwards this concession was extended to all other camps and prisons" (Vol. 111, p. 78). The ICRC soon established contact with camp commandants and launched a food relief program which continued to function until the last months of 1945, letters of thanks for which came pouring in from Jewish internees.

Red Cross Recipients Were Jews
The Report states that "As many as 9,000 parcels were packed daily. From the autumn of 1943 until May 1945, about 1,112,000 parcels with a total weight of 4,500 tons were sent off to the concentration camps" (Vol. III, p. 80). In addition to food, these contained clothing and pharmaceutical supplies. "Parcels were sent to Dachau, Buchenwald, Sangerhausen, Sachsenhausen, Oranienburg, Flossenburg, Landsberg-am-Lech, Flöha, Ravensbrück, Hamburg-Neuengamme, Mauthausen, Theresienstadt, Auschwitz, Bergen-Belsen, to camps near Vienna and in Central and Southern Germany. The principal recipients were Belgians, Dutch, French, Greeks, Italians, Norwegians, Poles and stateless Jews" (Vol. III, p. 83).

In the course of the war, "The Committee was in a position to transfer and distribute in the form of relief supplies over twenty million Swiss francs collected by Jewish welfare organizations throughout the world, in particular by the American Joint Distribution Committee of New York" (Vol. I, p. 644). This latter organization was permitted by the German Government to maintain offices in Berlin until the American entry into the war. The ICRC complained that

obstruction of their vast relief operation for Jewish internees came not from the Germans but from the tight Allied blockade of Europe. Most of their purchases of relief food were made in Rumania, Hungary and Slovakia.

The ICRC had special praise for the liberal conditions which prevailed at


The resienstadt up to the time of their last visits there in April 1945. This camp, "where there were about 40,000 Jews deported from various countries was a relatively privileged ghetto" (Vol. III, p. 75). According to the Report, "'The Committee's delegates were able to visit the camp at Theresienstadt (Terezin) which was used exclusively for Jews and was governed by special conditions. From information gathered by the Committee, this camp had been started as an experiment by certain leaders of the Reich ... These men wished to give the Jews the means of setting up a communal life in a town under their own administration and possessing almost complete autonomy. . . two delegates were able to visit the camp on April 6th, 1945. They confirmed the favorable impression gained on the first visit" (Vol. I, p . 642).

The ICRC also had praise for the regime of Ion Antonescu of Fascist Rumania where the Committee was able to extend special relief to 183,000 Rumanian Jews until the time of the Soviet occupation. The aid then ceased, and the ICRC complained bitterly that it never succeeded "in sending anything whatsoever to Russia" (Vol. II, p. 62). The same situation applied to many of the German camps after their "liberation" by the Russians. The ICRC received a voluminous flow of mail from Auschwitz until the period of the Soviet occupation, when many of the internees were evacuated westward. But the efforts of the Red Cross to send relief to internees remaining at Auschwitz under Soviet control were futile. However, food parcels continued to be sent to former Auschwitz inmates transferred west to such camps as Buchenwald and Oranienburg.

No Evidence Of Genocide

One of the most important aspects of the Red Cross Report is that it clarifies the true cause of those deaths that undoubtedly occurred in the camps toward the end of the war. Says the Report: "In the chaotic condition of Germany after the invasion during the final months of the war, the camps received no food supplies at all and starvation claimed an increasing number of victims. Itself alarmed by this situation, the German Government at last informed the ICRC on February 1st, 1945 ... In March 1945, discussions between the President of the ICRC and


General of the S.S. Kaltenbrunner gave even more decisive results. Relief could henceforth be distributed by the ICRC, and one delegate was authorised to stay in each camp ..." (Vol. III, p. 83).

Clearly, the German authorities were at pains to relieve the dire situation as far as they were able. The Red Cross are quite explicit in stating that food supplies ceased at this time due to the Allied bombing of German transportation, and in the interests of interned Jews they had protested on March 15th, 1944 against "the barbarous aerial warfare of the Allies" (Inter Arma Caritas, p. 78). By October 2nd, 1944, the ICRC warned the German Foreign Office of the impending collapse of the German transportation system, declaring that starvation conditions for people throughout Germany were becoming inevitable.

In dealing with this comprehensive, three-volume Report, it is important to stress that the delegates of the International Red Cross found no evidence whatever at the camps in Axis occupied Europe of a deliberate policy to exterminate the Jews. In all its 1,600 pages the Report does not even mention such a thing as a gas chamber. It admits that Jews, like many other wartime nationalities, suffered rigours and privations, but its complete silence on the subject of planned extermination is ample refutation of the Six Million legend.


Like the Vatican representatives with whom they worked, the Red Cross found itself unable to indulge in the irresponsible charges of genocide which had become the order of the day. So far as the genuine mortality rate is concerned, the Report points out that most of the Jewish doctors from the camps were being used to combat typhus on the eastern front, so that they were unavailable when the typhus epidemics of 1945 broke out in the camps (Vol. I, p. 204 ff) –


Incidentally, it is frequently claimed that mass executions were carried out in gas chambers cunningly disguised as shower facilities. Again the Report makes nonsense of this allegation. "Not only the washing places, but installations for baths, showers and laundry were inspected by the delegates. They had often to take action to have fixtures made less primitive, and to get them repaired or enlarged" (Vol. III, p. 594).


Not All Were Interned

Volume III of the Red Cross Report, Chapter 3 (I. Jewish Civilian Population) deals with the "aid given to the Jewish section of the free population," and this chapter makes it quite plain that by no means all of the European Jews were placed in internment camps, but remained, subject to certain restrictions, as part of the free civilian population. This conflicts directly with the "thoroughness" of the supposed "extermination programme", and with the claim in the forged Höss memoirs that Eichmann was obsessed with seizing "every single Jew he could lay his hands on."

In Slovakia, for example, where Eichmann's assistant Dieter Wisliceny was in charge, the Report states that "A large proportion of the Jewish minority had permission to stay in the country, and at certain periods Slovakia was looked upon as a comparative haven of refuge for Jews, especially for those coming from Poland. Those who remained in Slovakia seem to have been in comparative safety until the end of August 1944, when a rising against the German forces took place. While it is true that the law of May 15th, 1942 had brought about the internment of several thousand Jews, these people were held in camps where the conditions of food and lodging were tolerable, and where the internees were allowed to do paid work on terms almost equal to those of the free labour market" (Vol. I, p. 646).

Not only did large numbers of the three million or so European Jews avoid internment altogether, but the emigration of Jews continued throughout the war, generally by way of Hungary, Rumania and Turkey. Ironically, post-war Jewish emigration from German-occupied territories was also facilitated by the Reich, as in the case of the Polish Jews who had escaped to France before its occupation. "The Jews from Poland who, whilst in France, had obtained entrance permits to the United States were held to be American citizens by the German occupying authorities, who further agreed to recognize the validity of about three thousand passports issued to Jews by the consulates of South American countries" (Vol. I, p. 645).

As future U.S. citizens, these Jews were held at the Vittel camp in southern France for American aliens. The emigration of European Jews from Hungary in particular proceeded during the war unhindered by the German authorities. "Until March 1944," says the. Red Cross Report, "Jews who had the privilege of visas for Palestine were free to leave Hungary" (Vol. I, p. 648). Even after the replacement of the Horthy Government in 1944 (following its attempted armistice with the

Soviet Union) with a government more dependent on German authority, the emigration of Jews continued.

The Committee secured the pledges of both Britain and the United States "to give support by every means to the emigration of Jews from Hungary," and from the U.S. Government the ICRC received a message stating that "The Government of the United States ... now specifically repeats its assurance that arrangements will be made by it for the care of all Jews who in the present circumstances are allowed to leave" (Vol. I, p . 649).

Biedermann agreed that in the nineteen instances that "Did Six Million Really Die?" quoted from the Report of the International Committee of the Red Cross on its Activities during the Second World War and Inter Arma Caritas (this includes the above material), it did so accurately.

A quote from Charles Biedermann (a delegate of the International Committee of the Red Cross and Director of the Red Cross' International Tracing Service) under oath at the Zündel Trial (February 9, 10, 11 and 12, 1988).


Six million murdered Jews in a "Holocaust" is a Talmudic topic, a Jewish religious metaphor for disaster, distributed for centuries, without any concrete base. The IMT at Nuremberg in 1945, re-enacted this number taken as 'evidence' two bad "hearsay witnesses", whom supposed "spokesman" Eichmann called "phantasts". There was and is no justification for this now by historians called ‘symbolic’ number. The religious character of it is confirmed by the current political and dogmatic Stalinist fixation and the rather inquisitorial persecution of critics in many Western countries. 

All this suffices to speak of this fixed quota as a religious myth. However, to deal for good with this Talmudic mantra, I give Ten concrete proofs of the fallacy of this obligatory imposed and far too high number. Not because a lower number is less gruesome or sad, but simply because historical truth
 deserves primacy above myths. 

The next ten concrete proofs showing each in itself the impossibility of this Holocaust Number: 

1. The actual number of Jews under German regime never exceeded 4.5 million. 
2. Jewish-stated numbers of Jews in the World before and after the War. 
3. Demographic impossibility phenomenon: number of Jews before and after the War. 
4. Jews emigrated and taking refuge to the Soviet Union. 
5. An empirical-statistical approach. 
6. Number of Jews who applied for survivor pensions. 
7. Retro calculation survivors 1945, based on the number of living survivors in 2004. 
8. Unproven "gas chambers" and "mass gassings”. 
9. Lack of remains, mass graves and ash quantities make ‘Six Million’ implausible.
10. Ratio of Jews killed in camps/elsewhere.


Poland was recorded before its division, including Jews in parts of Ukraine and Belarus, then belonging to Poland; according to the AJC a total of 3,113,900 Jews. 

Far from all European Jews came under German rule. Prof. Sanning shows that late 1939 in the German annexed part of Poland, the factual number of Jews under German occupation were not 3,113,900, as Holocaust resources usually mention, but 2,356,900 less (!), being 757,000.
 This 2.3 million lower number can be derived out of the following facts: 
1. Between 1931 and 1939 the number of Jews in Poland reduced with 480,900 (15.4%) due to Jewish emigration and high excess mortality, to 2,633,000. 
2. Of these, 1,026,000 were in Soviet-occupied Poland, so theoretically 1,607,000 remained under German government. 
3. Hundreds of thousands fled to Soviet territory right away (among them the late Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin), while the Germans also expelled large groups of Jews over the border. West German, Zionist, American and Polish sources leave no doubt that after the German occupation, only 757,000 Jews came under German administration (Sanning, p. 39 ff). 


In Germany 1939 were 240,000 Jews, in Austria 191,408, in Czechoslovakia 356,830 and in Danzig 10,448. This makes the number of Jews under German rule inclusive occupied half of Poland 1,555,686. Three years later, in 1942, caused by emigration, flight and other causes according to Sanning’s Jewish sources there were in Germany 164,000 Jews, 50,000 in Austria, 255,000 in Czechoslovakia and about 10,000 in Danzig, total 479,000, which reduced the factual number of Jews under German government in 1942 nearly 320,000 to 1,236,448. 

An earlier war phase brought Norway, Denmark, The Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg and France under German hegemony, where according to Jewish statements were 466,911 Jews. The factual number of Jews under German administration in 1941 became by that 1,703,359. 

With the invasion of the Soviet Union in 1941, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Eastern Poland, Belarus, Ukraine and part of European Russia came under German rule. We reckon all 252,907 Jews from the Baltic States, notwithstanding indications that many managed to escape or were killed by local militias and retreating Soviets.

In Eastern Poland, Belarus and Ukraine less than 1 million Jews were present during the German advance of 1941. Of the original Jewish population there were large numbers (Sanning 1,550,000) deliberately or otherwise transferred Eastward by the Soviets. This totals the number of Jews under German regime at 2,956,266. 

After the invasion of the Soviet Union ("Barbarossa") according to Sanning 80% of all Jews in the Russian front theatre were evacuated by the Soviets, so those never came into contact with German troops. 

In December 1942 Soviet Communist David Bergelson, Zionist propagandist and secretary of the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committees in Moscow, wrote (Sanning, p. 114): 

"The evacuation saved the vast majority of Jews from Ukraine, Belarus, Lithuania and Latvia. According to information from Vitebsk, Riga and other cities occupied by the fascists, there were only a few Jews when the Germans arrived. Thus a large part of the Polish and Baltic Jews was absorbed by the USSR. " 

By shifting of the front deeper into Russian areas with many Jews, there was the Stalin Ukase of "scorched earth": significant groups fled further Eastward and many Jews were inclined in the Moscow-organized partisan army. The remaining number of Jews effectively under German rule varies by source, but according to Sanning was less than 1 million. 


Adding up all other countries under German rule (Greece, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, Romania and Hungary, according to Sanning’s Jewish sources total 1,047,400 Jews, the overall number of Jews under German regime derived from the American Jewish Committee and the Statistical Bureau of the Jewish Synagogue Council of Americatotals 4,003,666, barely 4 million. 

The 'standardwork' by Wolfgang Benz, director of the German Office for Combating Anti-Semitism, whose numbers of Jewish victims one can be sure of not to be ‘antisemitic’, is not surprisingly ‘5.2 to 6 million murdered Jews’. The book appeared in 1991, eight years after Sanning, although Sanning was not mentioned in it and none of his detailed figures was overturned. Benz's book is full of double counting, false assumptions, errors and ‘mistakes’;


so he called all 1939 Jews who in 1946 were not registered at their hometowns, "killed by the Nazis” and conceals 700,000 expatriate Polish Jews since 1931. In a sublime comparison of Sanning's work with Benz by revisionist Germar Rudolf, the Benz 'book is rightfully refuted as fraudulent. For those interested:Holocaust Victims: A Statistical Analysis. W. Benz and WN Sanning - A Comparison. (Published in: Dissecting the Holocaust, The Growing Critique of 'Truth' and 'Holocaust', Holocaust Handbook Series, p. 181. Theses & Dissertations Press, PO Box 257768, Chicago, IL 60625, USA. ISBN 0-9679856-2-5. downloads of this and other revisionist works on Free_Downloads_from_VHO ). 

Professor Sanning used Jewish sources only, because he considered Nazi sources (Wannsee Protokoll andKorherr Report) being (too) inaccurate and unreliable. 
Nevertheless, even these too high estimations of the Nazi Wannsee Protokoll (3,836,500 under 'A', plus Vichy France) and Korherr Report (50% of 9,494,368, minus non-occupied Europe) the number of 4.5 million Jews under Nazi rule in Europe was not reached. 
It is self-evident that if no more than 4.5 million Jews were under German administration the Nazis couldn’t have 'Six Million' Jews killed. 

It shows "Six Million murdered Jews" as false propaganda. 


Jewish-stated numbers of Jews in the World before and after the War

An approach based on the total number of Jews in the world neither comes near to 'Six Million' murdered Jews. 
We assess the numbers of Jews in the world again on the basis of unsuspected Jewish sources: the World Almanac, featuring information from the American Jewish Committee and the Statistical Bureau of the Jewish Synagogue Council of America. 

Before the war: 

World Almanac 1929 (p. 727): 15,630,000 
National Council of Churches USA 1930: 15,600,000 
World Almanac 1936 (p. 748): 15,753,633 
World Almanac 1938 (p. 510): 15,748,091 

During the war: 
American Jewish Congress Council of Synagogues 1939 15,600,000 
World Almanac 1940 (p. 129): 15,319,359 
World Almanac 1942 (p. 849): 15,192,089 

After the war: 
World Almanac 1947: (p. 748): 15,688,259 
World Almanac 1948: (p. 849): 15,763,630 

As shown, the numbers of Jews before and during the war, are mostly congruent and stable. Therefore, one may take as a fact 15.7 million Jews around the world shortly before the War, with a slight decline during the War. 
Immediately after the War, in 1947, the same sources reported 444,271 Jews more as in 1940! The number of the Council of Synagogues too is 163,630 higher than that of 1939! 


According to the World Almanac of 1947, the number of Jews in 1939 was 15,688,259. On February 22, 1948 the Jewish owned New York Times, gave the Jewish population of Palestine as 600-700,000; following the lowest number, it results in 16,288,259 Jews Worldwide. Nearly 600,000 more than before the war! So, Jewish statements from 1948 show nothing of 6 million murdered Jews." 
Not surprising thus, the New York Jewish paper Aufbau from December 24,1948 dubbed the "Six Million Story "a pure fabrication." Authoritative experts after the War clearly not believed that 6 million Jews disappeared. 


If between 1939/1940 and 1947 six million Jews were murdered, it is of course impossible that there were more Jews in 1948 than in 1940. With 6 million Jews murdered after the war, no more than 10,288,259 Jews could have been counted then. This was understood by the proponents of the Talmudic number either, which is why after 1947 drastically reduced numbers of Jews appeared on paper. Not only the numbers of post-war Jews were presented much lower, at the same time higher numbers of pre-war Jews were presented. Of course with no substantiation or reference other than in those days circulating astronomic death numbers for the camps. The manipulation of numbers of Jews in the world and Europe clearly is a post-war phenomenon. 

Even if one argues that the numbers of Jews shortly after the war were impure or wrong, one has to explain what the causes were and why this was not indicated. And even if the numbers of Jews shortly after the war were wrong, the subsequent millions lower in 1947 must be supported by evidence. That never happened. Only 46 years later, in 1991, the fraudulent, demonstrably worthless work of Benz appeared, an example of Jewish Mathematics resulting in '6 million'. 

The first differing post-war assignment came in the Almanac of 1949. Then the Jewish World population was set forth for 1947 as 11,266,600. This was 4,421,659
 lower than the previous statement: 
1939: 15,688,259 
1947: 11,266,600 
Difference: 4,421,659 


But, even 4,421,659 less doesn’t make Six Million. What next? 
Simple, the 
Almanac promptly gave higher numbers of pre-war Jews too: 
in 1946
 for 1939 still 15,688,259 Jews, 
in 1949 for 1939 16,643,210 Jews! 


Almost 1 million (954,951) more before the war! Added to the 'new' lower number of post-war Jews, now there were on paper 5,376,610 Jews 'disappeared'! This is the origin of the "5.4 or 5.7 million Holocaust murdered” nowadays parroted by official historians, not accompanied by a shred of proof.
The postwar manipulation shows that not WW II led to "Six Million Jews murdered”, but the Talmudic numerus fixus, slavishly accepted by the kin of Holocaust Court historians. 


The chaos and arbitrariness of post-war numbers of Jews in the world is shown by the following: 

Statistical Handbook of Council of Churches USA 1951: 15,300,000. 
Encyclopedia Britannica's 1955 Book of the Year 11,627,450
 (All, synagogue member or not). 
U.S. News & World Report, 1983: 16,820,850. 
World Almanac & Book of Facts, 1989: 18,080,000. 
World Almanac, 1996, p. 646: 14,117,000. 
World Almanac & Book of Facts, 2001: 13,200,000. 

Whoever wants to give any credence to Jewish postwar figures about numbers of Jews in the world, surely has a lot to explain. 

This also proves the falsity of the propaganda of 'Six Million'. 


BUT…how about ‘the right of free speech’ in Europe?


Holocaust denial illegal

Germany's parliament passed legislation in 1985, making it a crime to deny the extermination of the Jews. In 1994, the law was tightened. Now, anyone who publicly endorses, denies or plays down the genocide against the Jews faces a maximum penalty of five years in jail and no less than the imposition of a fine.



#2 simple simon

simple simon

    To me I'm me, but who am I really?

  • High Member Forum Mask
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,921 posts
  • Gender:Not Telling
  • Location:Planet Earth (here, there, anywhere)
  • Interests:wide range of interests... I once tried keeping an open mind on everything but things started to fall out through the opening and I've now reached the point where I don't want to lose any more sawdust.

Posted 19 February 2015 - 10:46 PM

all new info to me... what I recall from my school-days is that 20 million Russians and 11 million Poles were said to have died during the war, with 3 million of the Poles being Jewish.


I used to know a former British Army Commando who used to tell lurid tales of what was found at various German run internment / concentration camps. As a teenage schoolboy history sometimes became personal by a teacher who had numbers tattooed on his arm telling us what he went through when he was our age. I also understand that its possible to visit Auschwitz to see the remains of the concentration camp, (hmm... thanks to Firefox spell checker I had no difficulty spelling that name).




I have no way of validating the above article. Maybe next we will hear that x million Kurds were not killed during WW1? Or that the atrocities of the Yugoslav war in the 1990's were not as previously described - were the skeletal people seen on the TV in concentration camps all actors?


I do have a concern; How do we know that this is not a popularist diversionary tactic to keep people's minds busy so that they do not look at the problems of today - global economy, ET cover-up, suppression of life-enhancing technologies, desire for bankers (and other elite who are based in Rome) to enslave us all?



Edited by simple simon, 19 February 2015 - 10:52 PM.

Citizen of Planet Earth, living in the British Isles.

#3 skylark


    A Chief Ufologiist

  • Administrators
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,045 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 20 February 2015 - 10:07 AM

*'Sweeps NOTE:

...These concerns of Simon's should be everyone's concerns. The 'Victors' of Wars write and re-write Histories...in their favor of course.


Urban Myths grow up the same way. But, for purposes of this topic...let's try and be clear. Wars on All fronts are Funded...to both or all sides...by International bankers, and planned/executed by 'Machiavellian' influences. In the 'HOLOCAUST' case of this Topic, keep in Mind that the studies disproving/debunking the Jewish created Myth...were done by no less than 3 Internationally recognized Impartial Agencies...one of them (or more) being Jewish. These studies were also conducted over long periods of time, and merit great favoring as we look back at the Histories of 'THAT' period.


We also must know of the Places indicated in the reports...themselves. Auschwitz for example mentioned by Simon. Such SHOW PLACES for the public...were Built AFTER THE WAR, and the instruments of torture and death/'gassing/ovens' etc., built NEW.


The older actual 'chambers'/ovens/etc...when inspected by International Agencies were not Well Constructed...had openings (porous) and would not have allowed GAS executions from 'shower heads'/etc. NO, the buildings/memorials were not the 'left standing' ones from the WARS END...but new ones built to 'demonstrate' how the TPTB wanted the public to imagine, according to the MYTH, how things were done.


-Absolute bending of History for emotional effect-

We also know, of course now, that the very fact of enacting LAWS against Free Speech about this Historic period...says a lot about HYPOCRACY. The VERY FACT of being punished for Denial of the Holocaust...should 'speak to everyone' about how History and our right to inspect it....itself has been denied.


BTW....'The skeletal people' of the peoples shown in newsreels were explained in the 3 Agencies reports...was obviously not read. AND....yes, recently the UN has recanted the Yugoslav war 'genocides' as exaggerated if not completely incorrect. Who's original purpose did they serve...to suggest genocide?


We MUST be able to examine, do forensics, 'Ask Questions',and unearth the REAL truth about things....by discussion and 'free speech' as well. Thanks/'S'

#4 skylark


    A Chief Ufologiist

  • Administrators
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,045 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 09 March 2015 - 06:16 PM




*’Sweeps’ NOTE:

... Sylvia Stolz is NOW back in prison. She is a martyr of the truth-being a Holocaust ‘Denier’. Jailed for three and a half years related to the defense of historical revisionist Ernst Zündel. In addition she has been banned by the court for practicing law for five years. During the trial of Zündel, Stolz called the Holocaust “the biggest lie in world history”. These are FACTS...yes, in so called Modern Germany...and even under other EU Countries law...’Free Speech’ on this Topic is a ‘NO NO’. Imagine... Jewish-woman Lawyer was JAILED, for presenting evidence in the defence of her client in a criminal court trial.




OK then....this is exactly the example this Topic is all about...’Where is the Free Speech’ in Europe today...after it being 1 of the BIG things fought for in WW2?/’S’


Even Ronald Reagan and others on the ‘HOLOCAUST LIE’:



Deniers on the Phil Donahue Show










ps-See if you can get her on ‘TWITTER’



Sylvia Stolz





#5 simple simon

simple simon

    To me I'm me, but who am I really?

  • High Member Forum Mask
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,921 posts
  • Gender:Not Telling
  • Location:Planet Earth (here, there, anywhere)
  • Interests:wide range of interests... I once tried keeping an open mind on everything but things started to fall out through the opening and I've now reached the point where I don't want to lose any more sawdust.

Posted 02 May 2015 - 05:38 PM

A former SS Member "Who Was There" Speaks Up To Counter The Deniers


He says that he was there, he saw it happening, that the Jews were seen as enemies who had to be killed and there were gas ovens.






Oskar Groening had been at Auschwitz for only a few days when he first saw a transport of Jews arrive.

Hundreds of men, women and children stepped tentatively on to the railway unloading ramp that day in September 1942, clutching their few remaining belongings. They hoped, no doubt, that after a long and hellish journey across Europe, they had finally come to the end of the line.

And so they had. But far from their travails being over, the real horror was about to begin. Initially, the selection process to establish those who were to work and those who were to die went smoothly. The sick were taken away in lorries that purported to be from the Red Cross, but were of course going nowhere near a hospital.

By the end of the selection, 90 per cent of the transport was sent straight to the gas chambers. The others were despatched to work.

The job of 21-year-old Groening, a junior NCO in the SS, was to sort out the luggage with which the Jews had arrived. But just as the Red Cross lorries were a sham, so too was the bureaucratic process that registered the prisoners’ goods and valuables, for it gave them the impression that one day their property would be returned — and this kept them calm and ready to accept orders.

While Groening went about his work, fellow SS men began to search empty train carriages — and discovered there were still Jews who had escaped the selection process. ‘They were ill and vulnerable people,’ Groening recalled, ‘perhaps they were unable to walk, or a child who had lost his mother, or who somebody had hidden.’

The SS ‘cleared up’ these stragglers by shooting them in the head, then throwing them on to a lorry. And then Groening witnessed something that would stay with him for ever, an act so vile that it would regularly cause his dreams to end in screams.

‘Suddenly, I heard a baby crying,’ he told the German news magazine Der Spiegel many years later. ‘The child was lying on the ramp, wrapped in rags. ‘A mother had left it behind, perhaps because she knew that women with infants were sent to the gas chambers immediately. I saw another SS soldier grab the baby by the legs. The crying had bothered him. He smashed the baby’s head against the iron side of a truck until it was silent.’

Groening was outraged by what he saw, and complained to his officer, requesting a transfer to another posting. ‘It’s impossible, I can’t work here any more,’ he told the officer. ‘If it is necessary to exterminate the Jews, then it should be done within a certain framework.’

The officer refused Groening’s request, not only reminding him of his oath of loyalty to the SS, but also mendaciously assuring him that future selections would not be so ‘exceptional’.

Besides, Groening would not usually be required for such work. As a qualified bookkeeper, it was his job to sort and store the Jews’ money. As positions in Auschwitz went, it was relatively cushy, as it meant sitting in an office, and not dealing in person with those whom the money had belonged to.

And so, for the next two years, Oskar Groening worked as a cog in a factory of death, and even came to look back at his time there with some affection.

‘The special situation at Auschwitz,’ he later admitted, ‘led to friendships which I still think back on with joy.’

Groening is now 93 years old, and this week he was put on trial in the German city of Luneburg for his alleged complicity in the murder of 300,000 Hungarian Jewish prisoners at Auschwitz in the summer of 1944. Yesterday, he was confronted in court by the first former inmate of Auschwitz to give evidence. Eva Mozes Kor, 81, endured the hideous medical experiments of Auschwitz’s doctor, Josef Mengele, otherwise known as the Angel of Death.

She told the hearing how she and her sister Miriam evaded being gassed on arrival at the death camp thanks to Mengele’s obsession with twins — he experimented on twins in a twisted attempt to develop genetic techniques for Hitler’s dream of creating a ‘pure’ Aryan race.

Mrs Kor described the chaos as the train bringing her family from Romania arrived at the extermination camp. ‘Everyone was screaming in German, dogs were barking — it was the gates of Hell,’ she said. ‘I lost my father and my two older sisters immediately in front of my eyes, then my mother was swept away.’

She tried to ask Groening how much he knew about Mengele’s experiments, but the judge told her she was not allowed to do so, only to give a statement.

The case of Groening is exceptional for three reasons. First, Groening was not a guard — he was a bookkeeper — and he was therefore not a violent participant in genocide. By his own account, he was not one of those who clubbed, beat and shot Jews — and there are no witnesses who contradict him. All he did to the Jews was to count the money the Nazis stole from them.

Second, he does not deny that he is morally culpable. ‘Because of my job in Auschwitz,’ he told the court, ‘I am without question morally complicit in the killing of millions of people, most of whom were Jews. I ask them for forgiveness.’

Such an admission, it should be stressed, is extremely unusual for a former member of the SS.

But there is a third reason that makes Groening unique.

Unlike so many other surviving SS men and women, Groening is unnervingly candid about his actions. For over a decade, he has given interviews in which he fully admits to what he did and what he saw.

Furthermore, he knows that this honesty will help to get him convicted, and in all likelihood, sentenced to spend his last days in jail.
So why is Groening so open about his role in one of the greatest crimes in history? The answer is extraordinary — Groening wants his testimony to be used against those who deny the Holocaust took place.

‘I would like you to believe me,’ he says to the deniers. ‘I saw the gas chambers. I saw the crematoria. I saw the open fires. I was on the ramp when the selections took place. I would like you to believe that these atrocities happened because I was there.’

As a result, Groening’s attitude places us in morally difficult territory. What are we to make of a man who admits to being part of the evil of Auschwitz, and yet who now uses the fact of his complicity to argue against the evil of Holocaust denial? Should his actions today mitigate the guilt of his actions during the war?

To answer these questions, we need to know a little more about Groening as a man.

If one is to be well-disposed towards him — and there is no reason on earth why we should be — then it is easy to paint Groening as a victim of his upbringing and his time.

Born in 1921, Groening’s textile-worker father had joined the rabidly nationalist Stahlhelm (Steel Helmet) organisation — one of many paramilitary groups that emerged after Germany’s defeat in World War I — and before young Oskar was in his teens, he had joined its youth wing. From there, it was but a short step into the Hitler Youth after the Nazis came to power in 1933. Groening was an enthusiastic young fascist — participating in book burning, regarding the Jews as subhuman, and revelling in the Nazis’ supposed economic miracle.

After leaving school, Groening started training to be a bank clerk. With his somewhat gawky appearance and round owl-like spectacles, he certainly looked the part of a bean-counter.

But when war broke out, with his zealously nationalist upbringing, he was determined not to become a mere infantrymen in the Army, and Groening instead joined the fanatical Waffen-SS. Owing to his experience as a bookkeeper, he was not posted to a fighting unit, but given an administrative role, which was much to his liking. ‘I’m a desk person,’ he later said.

For three years, Groening fought the war from behind a ledger. But then, in September 1942, he and 20 others were ordered to Berlin, where they were given a lecture by a senior SS officer.

‘We were told we had to fulfil orders that were given in trust,’ Groening recalled. ‘A task that wouldn’t be without difficulties. A subordinate SS leader said we were to keep absolutely silent about this task. It was top secret, so that neither our relatives, nor friends, nor comrades, nor people who were not in the unit were to be told anything about it.’

The secret was that he would be sent to work in Auschwitz. Documentary evidence shows that, after his arrival and the selection he witnessed, Groening did indeed put in for a transfer to a fighting unit, and that his request was declined.

It is telling of the young SS man’s attitude that his difficulty lay not with the fact that Jews were being killed, but with the way in which they were put to death.

At the time, Groening saw the Jews as an enemy who represented as much of an existential threat to Germany as did the forces of the Soviet Union.

‘Between those two fights, one openly on the front line and the other against the Jews on the home front, we considered there was absolutely no difference,’ he said, ‘we exterminated nothing but enemies.’

As far as the likes of Groening were concerned, there was no moral difference between killing Jews in a camp, and fighting the Russians in a battle. Yet the horror of the killings still got to him. On one occasion, he witnessed a gassing when he saw an SS man administering the deadly Zyklon B pellets through a hole in the ceiling of one of the ‘cottages’, as the extermination chambers were known.

Groening heard the screams coming from within, and then the awful silence, after which an officer ‘checked whether everything was OK and the people were dead’. He also witnessed a cremation, during which the effects of burning would cause the corpses to sit up, causing some of his fellow SS men to laugh.

After two years, Groening left Auschwitz, and joined a frontline unit. He was captured by the British a month after the war in June 1945, and brought to this country as a POW.

Although he never denied being in the SS, Groening did not admit to his time at Auschwitz, as he recognised that what had happened there, in his own understated words, ‘did not always comply with human rights’.

Groening appeared to have a pleasant time in Britain, and he even joined a YMCA choir, with which he was allowed to tour England and Scotland singing German hymns and English folk songs.

He returned to Germany in 1948, and rebuilt his life. He rose through the management ranks of a local glass factory, married and had two children. And for many years, Groening never mentioned his time in Auschwitz. But then, one day, his attitude completely changed.

A keen philatelist,
a fellow member of Groening’s stamp club, presented him with a book called The Auschwitz Lie, which denied the genocide took place.

Groening was appalled, and annotated the book with his memories and observations, before returning it in disgust. To his shock, some six months later, Groening found that his remarks had been featured and repudiated in a neo-Nazi publication, and he started to receive threats and crank calls from those who maintained that he was a liar.

For the former SS man, this was the moment on which his life hinged. He could have kept quiet, and ignored the Holocaust deniers. But he was determined to combat them.

And so, to his credit, and perhaps seeking some sort of atonement, Groening decided to let the truth out. He started by writing an 87-page memoir for his sons, in which he told them everything.

But he was to make a much wider revelation, in the form of a nine-hour interview he gave to the documentary maker Laurence Rees, for his BBC series on Auschwitz.

For Rees, that interview with Groening was, he says, a ‘strange experience’, with his interviewee speaking ‘almost as if there was another Oskar Groening who worked at Auschwitz 60 years ago, and about the “other” Groening he could be brutally honest’.

It is that honesty about his ‘former’ self that now sees Groening in court. Although he deserves to be punished, it should also be acknowledged that Groening’s candour is of enormous benefit for those who wage today’s war against Holocaust denial.

Like many during those hateful times, Groening made many wrong decisions as a young man, which ended up with him participating in the attempted destruction of an entire people. For those actions, he should be punished.

But Groening’s coming clean, and the reasons behind it, should be applauded. Finally, as an old man, he has done some good.

Citizen of Planet Earth, living in the British Isles.

#6 skylark


    A Chief Ufologiist

  • Administrators
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,045 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 02 May 2015 - 10:03 PM

'Sweeps' NOTE:

...Yes Simon-understand that point. But this is a very old man, we know NOTHING of...except how this Trial was PRE-ARRANGED. Did you 'Look Into That'? No. The reason this 'old guy' was finally put on trial was to 'put DENIERS to rest'/make an example.


Do you know 'What a SHOW TRIAL' is? The kind they use to do in the USSR/Soviet Union-yes. This is what this trial is-it's very essence drawn from those type of 'Trials'.


Have to understand the Political Dilemma here. Give some Notion to the possibility that 'He was Threatened'/Told what to say/& gave evidence which was 'HE SAID/SHE SAID' Type. BTW-His connections to the SS are fabricated.  


Anyway-I know TOO MANY 'In very high places' who very much would like this Holocaust Lie to go away-SO 'Free Speech' can return without those DENYING it going to prison. This 'will not' be allow to happen-and the EU will have created an Orwellian 'New' History, based on lies of course.


Two sides to everything, and of course-3 International Agencies (1 worldwide Judaism org.) SHOWS on paper/recordings/films/census Globally-that there were more Jewish People after the war, then before/'S'


*'WE' do NOT doubt that terrible 'Atrocities' took place/take place 'in every war' by ALL Nations. Unfortunately the 'Winners' of wars can write the histories, exonerate and exclude themselves from 'ill light' or 'wrong doing'. Coppice? 

Edited by skylark, 02 May 2015 - 10:33 PM.
Addition info without a formal reply

#7 skylark


    A Chief Ufologiist

  • Administrators
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,045 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 09 June 2015 - 07:32 PM

German Television Exposes Holocaust Lies: Historic Broadcast Shocks Germany


*'Sweeps' NOTE:

...NOW A MAJOR GERMAN TV STATION-is finally/has just-EXPOSED the 'HOLOCAUST HOAX'-TO THE UTTER 'DISMAY' OF CHANCELLOR MERKEL AND THE GERMAN PEOPLE-who had been brought up/taught the LIE-and thought it as TRUISM-Accurate History. The 'tragedy' is that those putting this on THE AIR to the PEOPLE will now probably face the 5 YEAR JAIL TIME & HEAVY FINES...for Disclosing The Truth. Below please find the entire Write up and the necessary LINKS...so you yourselves can explore this HOLOCAUST MYTH-which has been instilled into WORLD HISTORY-time to see what this has done to us. Why should I have to keep saying 'I told you so'?/'S'


*CLICK Below on the Link to the PROHIBITED TV SHOW PRESENTED TO THE PEOPLE-check the Subtitle button:











The ARD is the world’s second largest public broadcaster after the British Broadcasting Corporation, with a budget of €6.3 billion and 23,000 employees. The budget comes primarily from the licence fees.




In a surprise night-time raid eighty-six year old German historian Ursula Haverbeck had her door kicked in and her house stormed by an armed anti-terrorist Police swat team after her recent Germany-wide television appearance. The secret police trashed her home throwing it’s entire contents onto the floor in a search for what are believed to be documents which might incriminate the official account of the Holocaust.


Three other historian colleagues of hers have also had their homes broken into and their books and documents seized by the security police. She is being charged under draconian anti-Jewish hate speech and Holocaust denial laws.


German Police storm home of elderly woman who debated "Holocaust"


Ursula Haverbeck is now facing criminal hate speech charges after debating how many Jews died in the Holocaust on national television. The debate was aired on German public television and broadcast all over Europe. It was the first time anyone has been allowed to question the official holocaust death toll on German television.






#8 simple simon

simple simon

    To me I'm me, but who am I really?

  • High Member Forum Mask
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,921 posts
  • Gender:Not Telling
  • Location:Planet Earth (here, there, anywhere)
  • Interests:wide range of interests... I once tried keeping an open mind on everything but things started to fall out through the opening and I've now reached the point where I don't want to lose any more sawdust.

Posted 10 June 2015 - 10:13 PM

Hmm, I wonder what the reaction would have been if they'd been revealing secrets about financial irregularities, the Jesuits, what really happened to Pope John-Paul 1 (and why), Merkel being a genetic daughter of Hitler, ET's, Solar Warden and all other such topics.



Citizen of Planet Earth, living in the British Isles.