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Posted 14 August 2013 - 09:53 PM

No doubt this would herald the end of the Roman Catholic Church if Scott Wolter's theory on the Holy Grail representing the blood line of Jesus is correct. It's a fascinating theory and it wouldn't surprise me if the Catholic Church had a hand or two in the disappearance of the rune stone.



But on the other hand, I haven't seen any archaeological evidence to substantiate the existence of Christ in the first place. Either way the , Christian faith has been built on lies.
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Posted 14 August 2013 - 11:33 PM

Its difficult with Jesus because so much of what might have happened back then has been corrupted.

The Christain faith was never intended - no faiths as such were - rather its the powerful who wanted ways to stay at the top of the tree who wanted these faiths.

Teachings such as brotherly love, no matter their origin or skin color etc were seen as a danger which had to be circumvented.

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Posted 15 August 2013 - 12:31 AM

The jury is still out on whether or not Jesus is a historical or fictitious character. I am keeping a very open mind about this. But if he existed and the Templar Knights protected actual descendants of Christ than the Catholic Church has a lot of explaining to do.If this could be proven those claims would rock the very foundations of Christianity. I can imagine that the Church is doing everything in their power to keep the lid on this story.
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Posted 15 August 2013 - 12:48 AM

*NO actually Yaeger,
...Did a lot of research on your last Reply stuff, put it in my book. You might want to give this one section below a read...and then check the LINK included at the bottom. Have fun. Thanks/'S'

MONOTHEISM has created God. A personal male God 'out there', 'and WE will represent Him and tell YOU all about Him and how to stay on His good side'. Heavy 'mind MESSING'.

The Christian bedrock of Jesus as God takes on a whole new complexion when looked at through the even more mysterious and honest insights of the Gnostics, Aryans, Buddhists, Shamans, Mystics, those of 'Nature Spirit' philosophies, and others. The great historical figure that Christ represents is seen as a gross mis-representation, for we are all sons and daughters of 'God'...or more accurately...of 'Creativity' itself. If Jesus Christ was (is) truly 'The God'...we are all in trouble. Whether he was a great healer, magus, and/or political and religious rebel of his time, he would have been the first to agree. Christ was recorded, depending on what reference is chosen, as first rejecting any divinity and then accepting it. The context in which he finally accepted it was more probably one of ' Yes, we all are...and so am I'. According to certain scriptures, when asked by 'Peter' if he was the Messiah, Christ told his disciple to 'Be silent' about such references. He had basically, here, denied the implication and claim... and was possibly self-conscious about it all.

We don't even really know what he looked like or much about him that has not been blurred, covered up, or re-written. Flavius Josephus (Circa 37-94 A.D. approx.) a renown Jewish historian cites 'a bunch' of chronological figures that were first thought to be as the Messiah' in Jewish historical accounts. Jesus was only one among them. Josephus's original account also describes each 'Messiah'. His unflattering physical description of Christ alone was wholly upsetting to his later icon Christian image; so much so that the Christians altered his original description. The Christian changes to historical texts were to make him tall, handsome, and with curly hair. Josephus, obviously a good researcher and historical observer, described Christ as having a 'hunched back' and a partially balding head. This image would 'knock sideways' some recent alien cults espousing that Christ was genetically modified and implanted in Mary. The aliens either got the hunchback gene wrong or these groups haven't done their homework. All this doesn't infer that alien genetic experiments didn't and/or are not going on...we have ample accounts, reliable witnesses, and speculations to the contrary.

Christ only spent about 3 years on the public stage. He commanded a lot of attention with two main themes. Although he never really measured up to being a prophet in the sense of making many prophecies, he prophesied that the 'end of the world was coming soon'. That was enough to galvanize many a crowd. The fact that he was wrong didn't deter his later followers. In fact, the end of the world theme and the idea that time could end was expressed first in the Hebrew book of Daniel in the 2nd Century B.C. It was then, with the bad times of subjugation by the Romans, that the Jews came up with the combining of political and religious ideas of time. The implied sense was that they could be delivered of their political oppressors by ending 'time' in a religious way. Religiously they could be delivered from their oppressors by having God come to rule over the Earth in their cause, by ending the world. It would become the forerunner of all the judgment day and apocalyptic ideation's. Christ merely announced that this 'ending' and 'judgment' was actually now upon them.

His other theme was the preaching of love, peace, and brotherhood. This was extremely radical for his time, and didn't stand him in good stead with the more militant Hebrew zealots who expected a marshal type of Messiah to lead them in ousting the Romans from their lands. Nothing much is actually known of his early life, although there is much speculation that he may have traveled with Joseph of Arimathea who was a rich merchant and trader. Joseph was also purportedly the uncle of, Mary, Christ's mother. Joseph may have taken the young Jesus with him on his travels and business ventures. Joseph and Jesus must have had a close bond. It was Joseph of Arimathea who would later offer one of his own tombs for the body of Jesus coming down from the cross.

It's possible that Christ could have visited many lands and cultures. Joseph of Arimathea was reported to have visited lands as far away as Glastonbury in Britain and the realms of Persia and India. These excursions to foreign and culturally diverse lands must have affected Christ and his philosophies of life. His adult return to his home land, and the beginning of his public life, could have been as a reverse culture shock. Ex-pats through the ages have found this to be true. It makes them hard to settle and to fit back into their society again. Where did Christ get the peace, love, and brotherhood bit in his travels?

A radical but influential Jewish sect, called the Messianists, claimed that Christ would return from death and lead them against the Romans...despite the fact that Christ only preached brotherhood. Titus, the son of the Roman Emperor, had other ideas. He would wipe out the Messianists along with other Jewish revolutionary factions, and would sack and burn the Jewish Temple. This left the biblical Paul, a Helenized Jew and early convert to Christianity, to bring forth his even stranger interpretation of the life of Christ. He was the one who preached that Christ was 'The Son Of God'. Since Paul's followers were spared the outright slaughter of the other revolutionary groups, they were able to 'carry on' and stamp their mark on the Christian movement.

Christianity, as we know it, almost totally sprang from Saint Paul's 'Greekifying' it and pushing it toward the West...and Rome. He would out flank the Syrian and Egyptian early Christian communities and leave their interpretations in the dust bin of history. All the major such characters as Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John were influenced by, traveled with, or found agreement with St. Paul's convictions on the appropriate 'story line'. It is easily recognized in even a simplistic, but historically correct, chronological synopsis form:

MARK- lived outside of the 'Holy Land', but was the earliest of the gospel writers on the life of Christ, writing about 20 or so years after the destruction of the 'Temple' in Jerusalem. He seized on stories and early tales of Christ's miracles based on oral traditions. At the time, miracle stories were prolific and attributed to many many 'men's' lives, in an era familiar faddish recognized style. Mark knew this and didn't concentrate too much on the 'miracle factor'.

His main theme was of the terrible (almost nightmarish) anguish of Christ's life. He
cites Christ as even abandoned by God as he hung on the cross. But, he interjected
hope in the way of mystery. It was Mark who told of finding Christ's tomb being empty. None of the other writers of the time, or the other coming gospel writers would accept this. In fact, even his original gospel would be re-worked and altered a few times. Still, he likened Jesus to the great (expected 'anointed one') 'Messianic' figure. His emphasis was on the future, when Christ would return. He wrote of Christ's 'parables' and his teachings which, to him, disguised the true nature of Christ. Who taught in parable style? The 'wise' teachers in the East did, but we won't go into that. Mark suggests that this enigmatic 'preaching' is significant to the enigmatic nature, again, of Christ and so unrevealing of his true nature. It is necessary to understand that Mark took the fall of the Jewish Temple as one of the signs that Jesus represented something in a different direction; away from the 'old' Hebrew teachings and 'divinely hopeful' of a new order of redemption from the persecutions of the past. Mark, substantially was a weaver of stories, and he wrote in Greek for those mainly outside of Aramaic speaking lands. He was a 'Paulist' champion. His 'life of Christ' would set the story example for both Matthew and Luke.

MATTHEW-was the only gospel writer who actually lived in the 'Holy Land' area, but in the upper area near Syria. He wrote about 45-55 years after the death of Christ. He tried to reconcile the early Jewish-Christian groups and the 'straight' Jewish tradition. He tried this in his attempt to actually trace the blood lines of Christ back to the important Jewish figure of 'Abraham'. Funny enough, all Middle-Eastern religions would claim 'Abraham' as their own. The Muslims, 500 years later, would measure themselves as beginning from this source. They would, however, call him 'Abrahim' and give a whole different twist that provided for him really being a Muslim. Matthew set out to provide proof that Jesus was definitely Hebrew, and so merited a melting of Judaism with Christianity. He also compared Christ's teachings to much of what is essentially in Jewish law itself. But, his early groups of Jewish-Christians were not being readily accepted. His writings then had to strike out against factions (like the 'Pharisees') of the Hebrew authority which opposed them. The contentions mounted between the two opposites, and the inexorable exclusion of the Christians from any Judaic consideration would follow. He would end his gospel not with the death of Christ, but with an exhortation (supposedly from Jesus) to spread the word and go out and preach. It was a need for Christian survival.

LUKE-was most likely a traveling companion of Paul. He wrote his gospel around 85 to 90 A.D. He was a scholarly writer, very comfortable in the Greek language, but also he tended to write in a romantic novelist style. His gospel was not his only work. He wrote 'charming' stories of the life of Christ, and used a lot of drama and symbolism in his 'story telling'. He made no pretense of his animosity to the strict Hebrew traditions (mostly based on the way they treated Paul when he visited Jerusalem -and his followers), and struck a clear division between Jews and 'gentiles'. His push was more toward a Greco-Roman Westward goal. He dwelt much on the theme of 'universal salvation' through Christ, and intimated that Christianity posed no threat to Rome...despite the fact that Paul had been executed by Emperor Nero in 67 A.D. His thrust was that Christianity was very much intone with Roman law and progress. All was forgiven. His Christ was cast as a learned, highly ethical, and educated, one. This Christ should be well able to be received in Rome. In fact, Luke's gospel ends with St. Paul going onto Rome, much as in the direction Luke would have Christianity and himself go after his disenchantment with anything Jewish. It was a portend. The 'Luke' Christ could, in his erudite portrayal, be seen as modeled on Luke's own literary and educated background. Why shouldn't Christ have a more universal-Roman appeal?

JOHN-wrote his gospel around 100 to 105 A.D. Many of his points conflicted with the other 3 gospels, and his style was absolutely different. He changed the dates of both the
'last supper' and Christ's death. He embellished Christ's teachings in great symbolism, and was the one to identify him as 'the lamb of God'. John was influenced, as are most writers, by what was happening during his era. The Jews had again revolted against Roman occupation. The rebel leaders reverted to, and called upon, the apocalyptic expunging of Man (and of course the Roman enemy) and the setting up of a new 'Kingdom on Earth' for the faithful. It was after all a rebellion being fought in and around the 'millennium' years, giving it rather an added meaning for thinking in terms of endings and new beginnings. There was great devastation in the 'home land', adding to the climate for total release that only a Godlike intervention and redemption could bring. The new Jewish rebel leader (BARUCH) was regarded by many as 'The Messiah'. This made it impossible for the Christians to join in the revolt. They already had their own Messiah. John's book of 'Revelations', couched in all the ancient religious symbolism of judgment and the 'ending of time', was an appeal and encouragement for Christians to hold steady during this time of great tumult and testing. He wrote in greatly graphic 'spiritual' terms, which were well known central themes of apocalyptic vision.

I had researched and written a long paper entitled 'A Background Of Western Religion, Up To And Including The Council Of Constance 1414-1418', while a student at The State University Of Education At Buffalo-New York. Out of interest, and in keeping with the typical machinations of the Roman Church, this was the Counsel which finally solved the dilemma of the 'Schism'...where 3 different Popes each claimed the title at the same time. Basically all three were ousted and 1 of them executed, in favor of an agreed compromise candidate-Pope Martin the 5th. During intervening years I've kept an interest in adding to and researching more of this history. It's been quite a drama of the unfolding of church political intrigue. The vast majority of people are kept unfamiliar and ignorant of most of this background, and the attendant slaughter of all opposing personalities and views.

These 4 'Gospels' (even the word is Greek...for 'book'), which were to be the basis of the 'New Testament', were ostensibly concerned with the nature and life of Christ. They were also the political and social reflections by each of their authors, in their attempts to deal with the climate and influences of the times. By the time Christianity was flourishing in the West and starting to change all of history, very little of who Christ was (or what he actually did) remained in Christendom.

Creeping misconceptions and 'borrowings' were rife and perpetuated. Baptism wasn't a 'Christian coming in' newly devised thing you know. Well, most Christians don't know. Baptism was, oddly enough for the vast fully accepting lay Christian majority, an old Jewish sect practice. John the Baptist was a radical first type of 'apocalyptic' prophesying aesthetic. He roamed about in the desert discoursing and preaching about the soon coming 'doom, doom, doom'. I've always conjured up his image as satirically similar to the character of Mansard G. Krebs in the old American comedy series 'Dobbie Gillis'. Maynard was a wispy 'goateed' teenage pre-hippie 'bohemian', who stoically ran around with the 'doom, doom, doom' outlook on life as Dobbie's sidekick. Then again, I'm essentially happily warped, preferring to see satire in most things and situations.

Christian theologians have shirked badly with reddened faces over the fact that Christ was most probably a follower' of John the Baptist, and so was baptized by him. He later took up John's 'passed' mission torch of apocalyptic vision, although in a moderated more subtle ethical/spiritual mode. It does though demonstrate Christ's allegiance to and influence by John.

Christ was born as Joshua (or Joshua) Ben Joseph…son of Joseph. Joshua was a common enough name in his days. The 'Christ' name was added much later, when he was identified as having the 'Christos' type of manner and appeal. His name was never Jesus Christ. Don't 'Josh' me! There has always been the big controversy over where he was actually born. It was Luke who told the strange story of him being born in Bethlehem, because Herod had decreed that all Jews had to travel to their ancestral home place for the Roman census. This has no founding in fact. In fact it would have been a bureaucratic, logistical, and administrative headache for any such undertaking. Imagine uprooting all the Jewish families and setting them on the road as refugees...nightmarish. The only reason for this Luke contrivance, was to ensure that Christ be regarded as being connected or descended from 'The House Of David'. The 'Son Of God' naming in Christ's time was a designation given to Hebrew 'Kings', and had no metaphysical meaning. Things are bent to reflect changing agendas. In the words of 'Millennium', the popular TV series, 'This is who we are'.

Christianity is, no doubt, a personality cult. The prime figure in any personality cult turns out to be perfect and 'God like'. The whole thrust and significance of Christ's real preaching regarding peace, love, and brotherhood would take second stage to the fact that he was 'God'. The Paulist Christians would conveniently overlook and change many of the details and purposes of Christ's life. It would become trendy in later Christianity to follow this example. One of the things they would overlook was the fact that Jesus had a brother. His brother's name was John, and it is well recorded and documented by Jewish historians of Christ's era. The latest finding, on researching the life and times of Christ, is that he may have had 4 younger brothers and some sisters.

On the other hand, orthodox Hebrews claim that their scriptures and traditions say that before their Messiah can appear (the orthodoxy still expects 'HIM'...not a 'HER') all Jews will have to be gathered in Israel...or at least the land that was Palestine in the old days. Fat chance. Maybe free passage and tours could be arranged.

But, as fate or the 'possibility of all possibilities' had provided for, a remarkable find occurred in 1945 in Egypt. Previously unknown 'Gnostic' writings, and other gospels, were found in a jar. They have been dated to the 3rd and 5th centuries B.C., and are copies of translations made by the Coptic Christian sect of the originals. These 49 very different writings would become known as the 'Nag Hammadi Papyri'.

Their significance lies in the fact that they are representative of a Gnostic influence and thought in the early Christian communities, that was supposed to have been thoroughly and viciously eradicated by early 'Roman' authority. They range from the re-interpretation of 'Genesis' to whole different views on the life and times of Jesus. There are whole original and unseen 'gospels' in the treatises ascribed to a Phillip and even Mary Magdalene. And there is a Thomas gospel which deals with certain discourses and sayings of Jesus, provocative of alternate interpretations of his life and message. While the 'Paulist' groups wended around towards Greece and finally Rome to establish authority and primacy for their Christian interpretation, other early Christian groups went into Egypt and across Northern Africa. The Gnostic thought holds Christ to be 'Man', dispelling the notion of him being or claiming to be God. This find establishes absolutely the nature of Gnostic views on Christian history, and establishes it as more of a Christian-Jewish outlook instead of Greek character.

The expunging of Gnostic thought and influence in the early Christian church, ousted the prime example of Christ as a highly placed teacher...for the way people should live with each other. Preaching love and tolerance, peace and brotherhood, wasn't enough to form a 'church' around. He had to be, not just a great spiritual soul but the actual embodiment of 'The God'. The most 'ridiculous' slant of all that would be 'laid upon him' would be that he came to die for Mankind's sins. The Gnostics gathered from his teachings and example, that all people could attain an independent spiritual growth by a direct 'seeking' of their own individual paths to 'God'.

This really 'pissed off' those wanting to form a church religion around Christ and impose a need for intermediaries to reach 'God'. People couldn't be allowed to wander around 'on their own toot' trying to find the path, could they? How the hell could they all be controlled that way? It was out of the question. Besides 'orthodox' Christian men such as Ianaus in the 2nd Century, had already ruled out going on to Rome itself with a bunch of free thinkers. These Christians were intent on building a 'church religion' in the authority mode of Roman example. Even in this early period the writings of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, were enshrined as the stories to go by...despite their contradictions and 'selfish' purposes in support of their own era needs. Very funny how just these gospels would become the later basis for 'the authoritative word of God'. They supported the idea of establishing 'church' authority.

In every religion or sect at the level where the flock or layity is contacted, gross distortions are perpetrated. There is, always to be found, contamination and corruption of content. Power will always guard 'its' truth'. Within the rooted hierarchies of organized religion of any persuasion, there is totalitarianism. With any luck now, they will be seen for what they are and they'll have lost it. Before the 'Internet' and 'The Worldwide Web' all information and knowledge accorded or made accessible to the general public or laymen was guarded and censored. Such was the source of authority, control, tribute, and belief fostering.



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Posted 16 August 2013 - 07:36 PM

The entire Jesus story has more holes than a Swiss cheese. Biblical claims and historical facts don't add up. Did some research years ago myself. Another discrepancy I came across was the death of King Herod. Seemingly he died at least three years before Christ's alleged birth. His order to kill all the newborn must have come from the grave - I guess another biblical miracle, just like a virgin giving birth!
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Posted 17 August 2013 - 01:35 AM

*‘Sweeps’ NOTE:
...FROM VATICAN NAZI RATLINES TO DRUG SMUGGLING ROUTES, THE ‘PRIORY OF SION, AND MODERN KNIGHTS TEMPLERS. THERE IS A LOT MORE I.E. Dei Spinne (the Spider) WHICH I’VE STUDIED EXTENSIVELY/’S’

This highly secretive operation was part of the Operation Sunrise negotiations conducted between Allen Dulles--the then senior wartime OSS officer in Switzerland, but later to become the Director of the CIA--and SS General Karl Wolff. This debonair and well-connected SS officer commanded the SS and Gestapo contingents in Italy at the time.

The result of these negotiations (at least those parts that are now known about) was an agreement affording amnesty to an extensive roster of SS-Gestapo forces, in exchange for their agreement to shift their allegiance to the West in the pre-planned, covert battle aimed at defeating the Soviet communist "menace"--in other words, the "Cold War".

One spin-off of these Dulles-Wolff arrangements were the Vatican-run ‘ratlines’ that aided wanted Nazi war criminals to slink to safety. Tens of thousands of SS and other Nazis escaped capture as a result of the ratlines. These included such figures as Franz Stangl, commandant at Treblinka extermination camp, and his friend Gustav Wagner, who ran the Sobibor death camp. Others to escape in this manner included Adolf Eichmann, the architect of the Holocaust. Eichmann was later captured by Israeli intelligence agents, smuggled to Tel Aviv, where as the world knows, he stood trial and was eventually executed.

In comparison, Dr Joseph Mengele--known as "the White Angel", a war criminal wanted for his cruel and inhuman experiments on death camp inmates at Auschwitz--escaped to Argentina and lived a long life.
‘Operation Amadeus’ was exclusively concerned with the flight of SS and Nazi war criminals to the South American continent and their later ferocious covert actions against the indigenous populations justified under the banner of "anti-communism". One individual engaged in Amadeus activities was former Gestapo officer Klaus Barbie, known to the world as "the Butcher of Lyon".

The principal means of funding ‘Operation Amadeus’ activities was the hugely profitable narcotics business. Large stocks of SS morphine had been smuggled out of Europe into "Catholic" South America at the end of the War in accordance with the Sunrise agreement. The morphine was accompanied by looted SS gold and large quantities of counterfeit British banknotes, which had been forged in concentration camps by captive/skilled counterfeiters. This was part of an SS scheme known as ‘Operation Bernhardt’.

The escape "lines" used to move wanted men around South America, away from the prying eyes of Israeli agents, also proved ideal as prime smuggling routes for narcotics. Decades later, the stocks of heroin smuggled into the United States for distribution by the CIA-protected Mafia…would be augmented by locally grown cocaine.

One of the figures emerging into the spotlight during the 1980s who was deeply involved in this narcotics traffic was Colonel Oliver North. He authorized the exchange of guns for drugs to finance Contra operations against the Sandinistas in Nicaragua. Oliver North was ALSO known to Al Carone by his "working" name, "John Caffrey". This was the time when Carone was engaged in CIA-controlled cocaine transactions with Joe "Pickles" Percilia, a member of the Colombo crime family.

These curious and usually concealed connections between governments (in the form of the military and intelligence community), organized crime, the Vatican and Nazi war criminals have some significant history. There had been a secret agreement reached between US Naval Intelligence officers and Mafia don Charles "Lucky" Luciano during World War II. This resulted in the Mafia's decision to aid and assist the Allies by contacting Mob figure Vito Genovese in 1943 to prepare the way for the Allied landing in Sicily. As earlier outlined, it was primarily those SS-Gestapo units located in Italy under command of SS General Wolff that were initially concerned in the ‘Operation Sunrise’ negotiations.

While large numbers of former Nazis were fleeing south to fight the communist menace in Latin America--and more importantly, to profit personally from their involvement in the lucrative drug and gun business--in Europe, the spadework was being laid to overthrow or thwart democratically elected governments via a network of fascist-manned "Stay Behind units", organized under the aegis of ‘Operation Gladio’. In no surprise, this would also lead to certain involved figures making personal fortunes out of other people's misery--a circumstance that has such commonplace recognition that it is barely worth mentioning.

These neo-fascist activities would come to prominence in the early 1980s following the collapse of Banco Ambrosiano and the death of Italian banker Roberto Calvi, who was killed (made to look as a ‘suicide’) and left hanging under London's Blackfriars Bridge. This would lead to sensational disclosures about the role of the Vatican Bank, the IOR, in Calvi's financial empire and would quickly grow to include the activities of Mafia financier Michele Sindona--whose activities, in turn, would implicate leading blue-blood banks in Europe and America in Mafia activities. Both Sindona and Calvi were close to Opus Dei, which lost around $55 million when Sindona's empire crashed. According to his family, Roberto Calvi was deeply engrossed in helping Opus Dei take control of the IOR when he was killed.

Meanwhile, both Calvi and Sindona were members of the secretive ‘Propaganda Due’ Masonic lodge…said to have been a "parallel government" in the waiting… which planned to effect a coup d'état in Italy following a Communist Party victory at the polls.

P2 ( or ‘Propaganda Due’ ) was run by former Italian fascist and member of the Nazi SS, Licio Gelli--dubbed "the Puppet Master" by the Italian press. Gelli's connections to the ultra-hard-right and fascists in Europe and Latin America were extensive. In fact, he had been deeply involved in establishing the Vatican-run ratlines that aided the worst Nazi war criminals to escape Allied justice at the end of WWII. All toll, an estimated 50,000 Nazis were helped to freedom.

Gelli had numerous powerful friends, including former Italian dictator Benito Mussolini. He was also a personal friend of Argentina's General Juan Perón, and his close associations with Argentina would later lead him to be a key figure in shipping a supply of French Exocet missiles to sink British Task Force ships during the Falklands War. In this endeavor he worked closely with Ronald R. Rewald, founder of the Hawaiian-based financial institution Bishop, Baldwin, Rewald, Dillingham & Wong--a CIA proprietary company and forerunner of the CIA-owned Nugan Hand Bank.

The involvement of a CIA front company engaged in financing and providing weapons to be used against a key American ally (Britain) with the wholehearted public support of the US Government may seem somewhat ironic, except it is well established…in the world of ‘black ops’…friends and enemies are interchangeable words. Working both sides of the fence is more than an accepted and well known practice.
In terms of a hierarchy, Gelli reported to Umberto Ortolani, described by one writer as ‘the great Vatican door-opener’…and ‘secret chamberlain of the papal household’. Additionally, his P2 connections…Ortolani is also a member of the inner council of the Knights of Malta and has military intelligence connections that date back to WWII.

NOW…THE OCTOPUS AND THE SPIDER
There are numerous other masonic groups and secret societies in Europe which move in and out of focus at various times. Almost all of them are Catholic in nature.
One of these is the Priory of Sion (Prieuré de Sion), a secretive order that first came to public attention from the best-selling book, ‘The Holy Blood And The Holy Grail’, which was published in 1982. The Priory of Sion is closely connected with the alleged treasure of Solomon which is said to have found its way to the small village of Rennes-le-Château in southwestern France, where it is said to have been buried by the Knights Templars, which are the actual forerunners of the Knights of Malta.

The Priory, whose headquarters were located at Annemasse, near Geneva on the Swiss border, are styled as the ‘guardians’ of Solomon's treasure. Most interestingly, they have numerous subterranean connections to fascists and those on the far right which date back to WWII. Meanwhile, it has to be noted in passing that Annemasse is said to have been the center for the anti-communist ‘Stay Behind units’ of Operation Gladio.


If this is not enough of intrigue, another fact stretches coincidence to the point of bursting. In recent years, the Priory of Sion has moved its headquarters to Barcelona and now boasts a Spanish Grand Master. This it might be concluded, is to enable it to be physically closer to the historical heartland of Opus Dei, which was founded in Spain in 1928.

If Otto Skorzeny was a leading force in running the SS Brotherhood escape routes—‘Dei Spinne’, the Spider--after the war, and SS General Karl Wolff was the lead negotiator with OSS Swiss Chief, Allen Dulles, then another Nazi, Walter Rauff, head of the Milan SD, was one of two liaisons with the Vatican involved in the establishment of the Nazi-smuggling system. Earlier in his career, Rauff had overseen the development of the Nazis' mobile gas vans, known as ‘The Black Ravens’, which gassed to death around 100,000 Jews…mostly women and children…by pumping exhaust fumes into the back of an hermetically sealed van.

Another important link between the Vatican and SS escape routes was Friedrich Schwendt, who was also the man in charge of laundering forged SS banknotes. Before WWII, Schwendt was an international arms dealer who shipped weapons to China and Russia. He was also the investment manager of the family fortune of his first wife's aunt, Baroness Gemmingen-Guttenberg, of the vastly wealthy Argentina-based Bunge family, of the massive transnational firm Bunge Corporation that is also known as "the Octopus".

This title is interesting, for it may connect to the so-called "Octopus" that ties in to murdered freelance journalist Danny Casolaro, who at the time of his death in 1991 was investigating a number of high-level illegalities including the theft by the Department of Justice of a ‘tracking’ computer program known as "PROMIS"

(sounds very much like the now recognized 'SNOWDEN' release of the Tracking system named 'PRISM').

Casolaro was writing a book about what he had discovered. He originally titled it ‘Behold, A Pale Horse’, which was later modified it to ‘The Octopus’. In a draft page of the book, he described this group as an ‘international cabal whose freelance services covered parochial political intrigue, espionage, sophisticated weapon technologies that included biotoxins, drug trafficking, money laundering and murder-for-hire’. Casolaro further stated that this cabal was ‘spawned thirty years ago in the shadow of the Cold War’.

After Casolaro's death, journalist Carol Marshall (his pen name) followed up his investigation and wrote a still unpublished manuscript, entitled ‘The Last Circle’. In this manuscript, Marshall describes her investigation of Robert Booth Nichols--one of the central figures of the Octopus, whom she describes as being part of a secretive group known as ‘the Chosen Ones’ who wore ‘skull and crossbones’ rings and shared a common interest in the old German SS occultism, and their tribal and inner circle rites.

During her continuing investigation into the Octopus, Marshall found that the SS occultism outlined above was connected to Lt. Col. Michael A. Aquino, a former US Green Beret who is a self-professed Satanist and who held a Top Secret security clearance for his work in military intelligence as well as on classified psychological warfare matters. Aquino officiated at SS black-magic ceremonies held at Wewelsburg, the castle once used by SS chief Heinrich Himmler to create an SS order of Teutonic knights… which was based on the Knights Templars.

The foregoing connections lend themselves to a larger picture of global, interlocking, right-wing fascist groups which operate in the shadowland of deniable military and intelligence operations associated with profit during WWII, and later throughout the Cold War.

With this in mind it is intriguing to note that the Priory of Sion, one of the foremost Catholic groups under discussion, uses as a symbol something that is variously described as an octopus or a spider (araignée) on all of its documents. The Priory's association with the octopus could easily relate to the so-called Octopus described above, where organized crime works hand in glove with operatives from US intelligence and the military. If one decides that the Priory symbol is a spider, there is the intriguing notion of the Vatican-run Nazi escape lines of Austrian Catholic Otto Skorzeny and his SS Brotherhood's Dei Spinne (the Spider).


**BTW...I had met 'modern' Knight Templars in 1992 in 'Glastonbury' of all places/'Sweeps'

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 11:16 AM

http://www.facingthe....org/pilate.php Until recently, there was no contemporary evidence outside the Bible for Pilate's existence (although Tacitus, Josephus, and Philo all wrote about him). Then in 1961, Italian archaeologists excavating the theatre at Caesarea found this stone inscription of Pontius Pilate. Coins have also been found dating from Pilate's rule as governor. (think the only positive example of a Biblical character existing) :)
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Posted 17 August 2013 - 09:13 PM

@ Sweeps. Many years ago I had some dealings with a modern Knight Templar as well. He turned out to be completely dishonest.

@ Seth Haniel. Indeed. Pilate is one of the few Biblical characters whose existence has been established beyond doubt. Paul, also known as Saul, did exist as well. King Solomon may have existed. But then it gets really foggy.
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Posted 18 August 2013 - 10:58 PM

*Yes Yaeger....I know,

NOW...for those who like to read, I'll give you a keener picture-from my Book-about the 'Arthur Era' as it really happened. Kid you not. Lots of research. But you may want to 'look away'...for it will destroy your 'myths'. Maybe it's about time though. The 'BITS' I've given from my book, below, only are part of the entire era...with the Christians changing TIME and making it their own. Thanks for that/'Sweeps'

The last ‘flickers’ of the long Celtic era had pulled back to Ireland, where it lasted to circa 500 A.D. The Romans never came into Ireland, and some of our keener insights into the Celts and Druids (and their sacred traditions) was best passed on to us by the Irish. The combination of Celtic and pre-Christianized Irish myths both survived so well due to the absence of Roman intrusion on ‘the old sod’.

‘As one chapter and era passes’.....doors are opening and closing. And along came Arthur Pendragon. Was he a real figure? ‘You can bet your ‘sweet patootie’
Even ‘the modern’ Templars, we were to learn, name and consider Arthur as ‘their master’. Their society wear the ‘Templar’ ring, and are every bit as traditionally secretive and ‘degreed’ as ‘The Masonic Order’. Orders within Orders, and perhaps as one with ‘The Illuminati’ mystique and ‘those of The Cabal’.

The ‘Arthur’ years, their folklore-esoterics-and yes...history, actually lay in the late 5th and early 6th centuries. It was of a torturous..’many forking pathways’ ...transition period in the South-West British peninsula, as it was for the whole of Britain and Ireland.

The British ‘island’ was under Saxon invasion. The Picts and the Scots, in league with them, were menacing and attacking outside their traditional borders. The remaining Celt-Druid clans stood isolated, some splintering into a near amalgamation with the new Christian (un-Romanized) belief styles...of which there were many varieties and unclear in focused beliefs. The, unsettled and unsteady, alliances of Pagan Celtic-new Christian forms would attempt a tolerance of need for the gathering battles with outside forces.

The areas of Somerset, Cornwall, and Devon were historically of a great independent nature. They would resist, as they always had, any forays or incursions by any and all outside ‘military’ inroads into their territory. They would stand, tentatively or not with each other, to repulse would be conquerors. Territorial-ism makes for strange ‘bed fellows’. In this case, it also made for strange contending tales.

The vast ‘most’ of everything we and the later writers know of this period, came down through ‘oral’ tradition. What’s to be believed? Well, regardless of cultural ‘self serving’ and imbedding, it is well known that the Celt-Druid priests were highly capable of relating, keeping, and passing on, whole histories of their people and clans...in a reliable if not secretive way. Aside from priest class secrecy, their people had to know about the ‘sacred’ and mundane histories and myths. It was their job, and a good part of their purpose in life. Many classical cultures, including the ‘Native Americans’ and earlier civilizations worldwide, held up themselves and their histories cohesively through ‘oral’ teachings. In every major prior ‘oral’ culture, that tradition worked and ensured the knowing of themselves as a specific ‘people’.

Their school was life itself. And all of their ‘school kids’ and the adults knew of their history without ever opening or reading a book. Their classes were around campfires, ceremonies, pow wows, and social gatherings. They were highly social in most of what they did. They were faithful to each other and their traditions, in ways our over populated...’divergently’ overgrown...less intimate world could ever know.

Christians want ardently for King Arthur to be of their own, and of a special new Christian character on the land. Romanticists see him in the light of great adventure and ‘grail’ pursuits...with his ‘round table’, 28 Knights, the sword ‘Excaliber’, Merlin, ‘The Lady Of The Lake’, and the ‘Guinevere’ tragedy that led to the loss of Camelot and the death of Arthur.

The ‘Facts’ are quite different. Arthur…was NEVER a Chistian…he fought them, and won many battles against their ‘invading armies’. He was a Pagan. Move along here an ‘find out’ the real stories.

Arthur Pendragon amounted to a vitally important linking and binding ‘bit player’, for a drama which ‘like an elastic band’, goes in and out and back and forth...but through time and myth. His historical figure was mystified, popularized, traditionalized, and legend-ized, in order to deal with ‘ages old’ myths and questing...that had been floating around from primordial human times. Due partly to the confluence of changing and contesting belief systems of his time, he was to somehow become the ‘pivotal pin’...on which was to be hung the varieties of mythic and mystical power struggles.. He was also the right man, at one of the central places, at the right time in history...a swinging of eras.

First, we should cast back to the development of ‘our’ familiarly well known’ elements and characters in the Arthur epic, and how they emerged on the present scene...as fixed in our psyches.

The first known written mentioning of Arthur was given by the Welsh historian Nennius, in a latin British history written in the 8th Century. Nennius refers to an earlier 6th Century inclusion of Arthur in the Welsh poem ‘Gododdin’. A later 10th Century reference to the same earlier source can be found in the ‘Annales Cambriae’. Basically, it all establishes Arthur as an historical and popular figure. None of the characters, events, or special meanings, have as yet been set in motion. But there are the fairly extensive oral tales of the Arthur times which had been going around, probably from the 6th Century onwards

Poor Merlin, the Druid and consort-Pagan priest-wizard of the last Scottish Pagan King ‘Gwendellyne’…actually existed as an historical figure. Geoffrey of Monmouth, wrote of him, and saw him taking to his beloved woods and living ‘rough’ in Nature and pursuing his mystical Drudic ways, following ‘his’ Kings defeat at the hands of Christian forces.

It was the end of the Pagan era in Scotland. Geoffrey would have Merlin do battle with the Christianized Saxons ‘once more with feeling’. He could use his well known wizardry to groom and even produce a Celtic-Pagan and Welsh type folk hero...Arthur Pendragon...from a popular historic figure who actually kept the Christians and invaders at bay. It was only the start of the fun. Geoffrey took great liberties with ‘Time’ in his stories.

‘Call a spade a spade’. The Pagans, Celt-Druids, The first world civilization, and even the genetically modified Celtic Christians, didn’t have an urgent or supportive need for Arthur. These systems already had been established and manifest in ages old power and mysticism. The Christians needed him. And so the stories, however rooted in patently Pagan sources and clingings, were woven into a new cloth for dressing up a ‘strictly’ Christian myth. Arthur could then be viewed as harold and vanguard for a Christian mystery...and power source.

Take note...all you recent persuasions of control...that the Welsh flag is still the ‘red dragon’. This dragon WAS the Pagan dragon of ‘Arthur’. The white dragon was of the new Christianized sects. There is no doubt in this historically, that the Chieftain Arthur defeated the Christian Tribes trying to enter and control Wales and regions South-West in Britain. All hail Wales and their flag of prominent resistance...say the ancients.

The ‘sacred’ chalice or cup, which Christians associate with the Grail quest, was of the oldest Pagan Goddess symbol and practice. It was always imaged as the feminine and represented the ‘womb’. Drinking from this ritual cup, one partook of the source of life, and the cycle of death and rebirth. Such vessels were found in India, dated older than 7,000 B.C. They had been used universally in matrilineal and Goddess cultures, and with a special alternate meaning in Celtic-Druid times which ‘King’ Arthur must have known about in his era and upbringing. It’s been suggested that he started the ‘Grail Quest’ only after his Queen Guinevere was abducted. Since his line could only be guaranteed through her family line, in a ‘matrilineal’ society, it was necessary to find her and win her back. It had nothing to do with her questionable ‘cheating’ affair. or perhaps any notion of romantic love. Without her the Royal Arthurian line could not be passed on or preserved.

The symbolic ‘sword’ and ‘the stone’ also pre-dates any Christianizing in the Arthurian way. The sword was the male fertility icon, and the stone resting on the earth was the expression of the feminine aspect. Pulling the sword from the earth stone richly symbolized the female willingly granting authority to the male. It can also be seen in the woman getting strength from man, and giving it back again. The man also ‘draws back’ a transmuted power as a result of their union.

All of the TEMPLAR KNIGHT nonsense, their quest for ‘Christ’s Cup/The Grail, and a Christian King named Arthur of ‘Camelot’ are PURE ‘secret society’ made up stories…to fit their own origins and purpose. The BIG prolem with their History...it didn't fit anything in real 'King Arthur' Times.