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[Morph]

Does time speed up as you get older? From the age of eight to 16 seemed to last forever but from 16 to 32 passed with the blink of an eye. I often talk with elderly neighbours who say from the age of 30 untill they retired only felt like 15/20 years not 30/35. Yet, now they say some days seem to be endless now their in retirement. Lets say you live to a 100 would 50 to 100 feel as if it flew by, or was it that the first 50 dragged. Is it how we personally perceive the passing of time?

I know time is linear and in tandem with the universe; that events happen in sequence with the motion of time like space and mass. But time does not have a structure or substances only a theory that takes us from point to point. I have come to the conclusion that time is a universal consciousness and maybe one day it will be manipulated?

*Topic expansion item added by 'Sweeps'-BELOW-hopefully with Morph's OK:

**The WORLD isn’t anything like what our eyes see, our ears hear, or like anything our 5 physical senses tell us about it. We have all been kept in a ONE WORLD VIEW REALITY BOX. It’s all apart of being able to predict and control people. OK…LET’S TALK A BIT ABOUT ‘REALITY’ ITSELF…LET’S DO SOME ‘REALITY CHECKS’. NOW I’M GOING TO ‘BLOW YOUR MINDS’

O.K., consider these samplings:

1. There is nothing ‘out there’. There is no color, taste, texture, smell, or sound. There are only vibrations which our senses perceive in some way and that we
agree to describe. The way we describe them or agree to incorporate them into our world doesn’t mean they exist in any objective-knowable reality.

2. All of our body cells...about 60 trillion of them..., molecules, and atomic
particles are in a constant state of motion and thus changing all the time... in a constant state of flux. We aren’t what we were made up of seconds before. We are not the same constitution of body or mind just seconds before. If this is the scenario, how is it possible for us to preserve our identity, consciousness, and our I am I?

3. What ultimately then is consciousness...spirit? If that is the case then perhaps all of our laws of nature and behavior are only habits. Our entire reality a habit...that we re-enforce and cast in cement as immutable? If one changes one’s habits about consciousness we could have worlds upon worlds upon worlds to explore. As Michael Talbot said in ‘The Holographic Universe’, People respond to the model of Reality…in their minds.

The problem that quantum MECHANICS posses to ‘classical’ minded physics, is that there are no objects or substances which are involved in its’ processes. There is no way any penetration of the sub-atomic levels will lead to a knowledge of its’ ‘parts’. There are no parts. The Universe thought of as a machine...falls apart. This is crazy. It means that the ‘building blocks’ of everything material are at least ephemeral...and in the extreme are illusory. No one ever in the Quantum field of work knew...or knows today...how the Quantum forces or processes work. That’s actually very nice. Quantum is mystery...of the highest...and of course the lowest orders. There is a randomness which is inscrutable by any of our ‘knowledge systems’. All of our ‘common sense’ looking about for answers...is undone by Quantum world processes.

The ‘real’ puzzle for ‘common sense’ approaches to Quantum events, is that nothing at all happens...until human consciousness touches, sees, or otherwise senses ‘it’. ‘Our’ way of seeing an outcome seems to determine that outcome. Consciousness of ‘it’...makes it...or the event happen. Suddenly it is seen that only consciousness matters...when we make an interpretation about the Nature or reality of ‘things’. What ‘jumps out’ into our reality...is the habit interference or expected observation we consciously put on it. Wow! What ‘we’ see or sense...’really’ is ‘what we get’. What does that say about our habits and limiting expectations...keeping us in one stingy-stringent reality?

Strangely, the mathematics of Quantum works...without us ever being able to figure out why or what’s behind it’s processes. This subjective quality Quantum ‘insanity’, which sustains and propels all our hi-tech advancements, is more than disconcerting to sober and down to earth scientists still fanatically stuck in their ‘reality need’...for the mechanics of Newtonian predictability to make sense of the Universe. In fact Quantum NEVER FAILS statistically. The theory works.

Trying to ‘understand’ what goes on in the Quantum world however, can not be ‘figured out’ by applying classical or modern physical diagramming. Perhaps worst of all for ‘modern’ physics, and its’ attempts to penetrate Quantum processes, is that mathematically Quantum provides for any and all states....as possible outcomes.

The ‘possibility of all possibilities’ is not only provided for...but is the working premise. In Quantum...all states or possible outcomes have a co-existing ACTUALITY.

[skylark]

Morph, on Apr 25 2007, 12:50 AM, said:

Does time speed up as you get older? From the age of eight to 16 seemed to last forever but from 16 to 32 passed with the blink of an eye. I often talk with elderly neighbours who say from the age of 30 untill they retired only felt like 15/20 years not 30/35. Yet, now they say some days seem to be endless now their in retirement. Lets say you live to a 100 would 50 to 100 feel as if it flew by, or was it that the first 50 dragged. Is it how we personally perceive the passing of time?

I know time is linear and in tandem with the universe; that events happen in sequence with the motion of time like space and mass. But time does not have a structure or substances only a theory that takes us from point to point. I have come to the conclusion that time is a universal consciousness and maybe one day it will be manipulated?

*Morning Morph,
...Time...as everything else is ''Relative'...how it is perceived/etc.
Quantum physics says goodbye to reality

Some physicists are uncomfortable with the idea that all individual quantum events are innately random. This is why many have proposed more complete theories, which suggest that events are at least partially governed by extra "hidden variables". Now physicists from Austria claim to have performed an experiment that rules out a broad class of hidden-variables theories that focus on realism -- giving the uneasy consequence that reality does not exist when we are not observing it.
Don't you just love it//'S'

[Morph]

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*Morning Morph,
...Time...as everything else is ''Relative'...how it is perceived/etc.
Quantum physics says goodbye to reality

Some physicists are uncomfortable with the idea that all individual quantum events are innately random. This is why many have proposed more complete theories, which suggest that events are at least partially governed by extra "hidden variables". Now physicists from Austria claim to have performed an experiment that rules out a broad class of hidden-variables theories that focus on realism -- giving the uneasy consequence that reality does not exist when we are not observing it.
Don't you just love it//'S'

You've mentioned a subject, "quantum events," and, "hidden variables," that I admit I have very little knowledge of. Am I right in saying they involve the events, as the elements of reality and how we as individuals perceive it. ie, time and motion?

Back to the time thing. Is it a man made illusion and only exists to keep us all in a routine. There is 60 seconds in a minute, 60 minutes in an hour, but does that theory really exist in nature and throughout the universe. There are recorded sightings of UFO's disappearing from point A in the sky than reappearing at point B within a millisecond, whats going on there? Do extraterrestrial have time travel capabilities, or could it be a form of teleportation?

Time is a subjective and very complex subject. Like you said, Sweeps. "Dont you just love it."

[skylark]

Morph, on Apr 25 2007, 04:15 PM, said:

You've mentioned a subject, "quantum events," and, "hidden variables," that I admit I have very little knowledge of. Am I right in saying they involve the events, as the elements of reality and how we as individuals perceive it. ie, time and motion?

Back to the time thing. Is it a man made illusion and only exists to keep us all in a routine. There is 60 seconds in a minute, 60 minutes in an hour, but does that theory really exist in nature and throughout the universe. There are recorded sightings of UFO's disappearing from point A in the sky than reappearing at point B within a millisecond, whats going on there? Do extraterrestrial have time travel capabilities, or could it be a form of teleportation?

Time is a subjective and very complex subject. Like you said, Sweeps. "Dont you just love it."

*'Blowing your mind'...Morph,
...I'll put the following in your original/main topic text too if you don't mind...can always take it out!?
*A Quick look at the ideas/concepts/etc. discussed here. From my University talks...with both students and their faculty. Should get 'YOU' starting to question everything about the 'Reality' you/anyone thinks they know. Well hopefully. Thanks Morph/'S'

**The WORLD isn’t anything like what our eyes see, our ears hear, or like anything our 5 physical senses tell us about it. We have all been kept in a ONE WORLD VIEW REALITY BOX. It’s all apart of being able to predict and control people. OK…LET’S TALK A BIT ABOUT ‘REALITY’ ITSELF…LET’S DO SOME ‘REALITY CHECKS’. NOW I’M GOING TO ‘BLOW YOUR MINDS’

O.K., consider these samplings:

1. There is nothing ‘out there’. There is no color, taste, texture, smell, or sound. There are only vibrations which our senses perceive in some way and that we
agree to describe. The way we describe them or agree to incorporate them into our world doesn’t mean they exist in any objective-knowable reality.

2. All of our body cells...about 60 trillion of them..., molecules, and atomic
particles are in a constant state of motion and thus changing all the time... in a constant state of flux. We aren’t what we were made up of seconds before. We are not the same constitution of body or mind just seconds before. If this is the scenario, how is it possible for us to preserve our identity, consciousness, and our I am I?

3. What ultimately then is consciousness...spirit? If that is the case then perhaps all of our laws of nature and behavior are only habits. Our entire reality a habit...that we re-enforce and cast in cement as immutable? If one changes one’s habits about consciousness we could have worlds upon worlds upon worlds to explore. As Michael Talbot said in ‘The Holographic Universe’, People respond to the model of Reality…in their minds.

The problem that quantum MECHANICS posses to ‘classical’ minded physics, is that there are no objects or substances which are involved in its’ processes. There is no way any penetration of the sub-atomic levels will lead to a knowledge of its’ ‘parts’. There are no parts. The Universe thought of as a machine...falls apart. This is crazy. It means that the ‘building blocks’ of everything material are at least ephemeral...and in the extreme are illusory. No one ever in the Quantum field of work knew...or knows today...how the Quantum forces or processes work. That’s actually very nice. Quantum is mystery...of the highest...and of course the lowest orders. There is a randomness which is inscrutable by any of our ‘knowledge systems’. All of our ‘common sense’ looking about for answers...is undone by Quantum world processes.

The ‘real’ puzzle for ‘common sense’ approaches to Quantum events, is that nothing at all happens...until human consciousness touches, sees, or otherwise senses ‘it’. ‘Our’ way of seeing an outcome seems to determine that outcome. Consciousness of ‘it’...makes it...or the event happen. Suddenly it is seen that only consciousness matters...when we make an interpretation about the Nature or reality of ‘things’. What ‘jumps out’ into our reality...is the habit interference or expected observation we consciously put on it. Wow! What ‘we’ see or sense...’really’ is ‘what we get’. What does that say about our habits and limiting expectations...keeping us in one stingy-stringent reality?

Strangely, the mathematics of Quantum works...without us ever being able to figure out why or what’s behind it’s processes. This subjective quality Quantum ‘insanity’, which sustains and propels all our hi-tech advancements, is more than disconcerting to sober and down to earth scientists still fanatically stuck in their ‘reality need’...for the mechanics of Newtonian predictability to make sense of the Universe. In fact Quantum NEVER FAILS statistically. The theory works.

Trying to ‘understand’ what goes on in the Quantum world however, can not be ‘figured out’ by applying classical or modern physical diagramming. Perhaps worst of all for ‘modern’ physics, and its’ attempts to penetrate Quantum processes, is that mathematically Quantum provides for any and all states....as possible outcomes.

The ‘possibility of all possibilities’ is not only provided for...but is the working premise. In Quantum...all states or possible outcomes have a co-existing ACTUALITY.

[Morph]

Great post. As usual thought provoking.

So, our objective knowable reality doesn't really exist, its our senses picking up on universal vibrations and our consciousnesss (or Something else) deciphering it and showing us what we see. Wow! I have never considered that theory before.

[skylark]

Morph, on Apr 25 2007, 07:14 PM, said:

Great post. As usual thought provoking.

So, our objective knowable reality doesn't really exist, its our senses picking up on universal vibrations and our consciousnesss (or Something else) deciphering it and showing us what we see. Wow! I have never considered that theory before.

*G'Day Morph,
...By George...I think you've got it. Probably never far off anyway.
AND 'anyway'...People 'Respond to the MODEL of 'Reality'...in their Minds. This is well covered in our Radio Show with Michael Talbot...'The Holographic Universe'...Carry on and 'Cheers'/a big one/'Sweeps'