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[Seth Haniel]

http://news.bbc.co.u...lth/7621608.stm

A large study is to examine near-death experiences in heart attack patients.
Doctors at 25 UK and US hospitals will study 1,500 survivors to see if people with no heartbeat or brain activity can have "out of body" experiences.
Some people report seeing a tunnel or bright light, others recall looking down from the ceiling at medical staff.
The study, due to take three years and co-ordinated by Southampton University, will include placing on shelves images that could only be seen from above.

HOSPITAL 'NEAR DEATH'/OOB EXPERIENCES:

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[skylark]

Seth Haniel, on Sep 18 2008, 10:17 AM, said:

http://news.bbc.co.u...lth/7621608.stm

A large study is to examine near-death experiences in heart attack patients.
Doctors at 25 UK and US hospitals will study 1,500 survivors to see if people with no heartbeat or brain activity can have "out of body" experiences.
Some people report seeing a tunnel or bright light, others recall looking down from the ceiling at medical staff.
The study, due to take three years and co-ordinated by Southampton University, will include placing on shelves images that could only be seen from above.

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*Think neuro science/etc. will try REALLY to 'Kick The One Reality Habit'??

*Howdy Seth...and All,
...Well very interesting...if the study can go ahead without any kind of non-interference 'Scientific Priest' Predjudicial guidelines.
ANYWAY...folks can go to our BIG Topic in this Forum on 'Everything you've wanted to know about 'NEAR DEATH' & OOB Experiences and more'. It also has ALL the Links.
*CLICK below on the 'My Webpage' LINK for this 'Near Death' Topic in our Forum-Thanks:

My Webpage

[Seth Haniel]

flat shelf on high - great place to gather dust in an operating theatre - and the cleaner and her gossip will make it widely known what the picture is


well hope the experiment is a success

the morphine they give you there gives you a glimpse of the other world too

been there, done that, got the scars

[skylark]

Seth Haniel, on Sep 18 2008, 03:41 PM, said:

flat shelf on high - great place to gather dust in an operating theatre - and the cleaner and her gossip will make it widely known what the picture is
well hope the experiment is a success

the morphine they give you there gives you a glimpse of the other world too

been there, done that, got the scars

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*When...a 'Head Nurse' in Saudi Arabia

*Hi Seth and All,
From my book-a passage/paragraph on this subject. Interesting. Kept it incomplete and short for now. But, the following is part of my experience in Neurology/Cheers/'S'
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I got to know many of the visiting neurology doctors and neuro surgeons in this international setting in Saudi Arabia, as well as our own well educated doctors...all educated abroad in the West. Some were ‘fellows’ from Britain and some were from leading United States medical schools.

There were many opportunities to interact with them and freely discuss their field of work. But they would only talk about the field of neurology in the classical ‘organic’ ways, telling about the new procedures, treatments, surgeries, and things on the horizon. After getting to know them better and becoming more informal in our conversations, I decided to ask each (separately) how they felt about how the field was making progress in knowledge about the ‘brain’ and how it worked. The questions were, of course, phrased differently to individual doctors but the gist was the same...are you making progress in understanding the ‘brain’? I didn’t think it was the appropriate setting to ask them about ‘mind’. Their individual answers were, to say the least, highly revealing. While they ‘carried on’ in their daily practice, treating patients, lecturing, and going on advanced study leaves, they ALL proclaimed...in their own way...a startling ‘philosophy’ and admission. It can be summed up easily. ‘The more we know about the brain the less we know’, and ‘We may never know all of the mysteries of the brain’.

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Seth Haniel, on Sep 18 2008, 10:17 AM, said:

http://news.bbc.co.u...lth/7621608.stm

A large study is to examine near-death experiences in heart attack patients.
Doctors at 25 UK and US hospitals will study 1,500 survivors to see if people with no heartbeat or brain activity can have "out of body" experiences.
Some people report seeing a tunnel or bright light, others recall looking down from the ceiling at medical staff.
The study, due to take three years and co-ordinated by Southampton University, will include placing on shelves images that could only be seen from above.

HOSPITAL 'NEAR DEATH'/OOB EXPERIENCES:

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WHAT ABOUT ‘NEAR DEATH’/OOB EXPERIENCES?

*The BASIC IDEA:
Key to the experiment is an investigation into whether those who say they briefly departed their body while clinically dead "physically" left themselves behind or were simply imagining it during their resuscitation.

The Awareness during Resuscitation experiment (Aware) is an expansion of a pilot scheme run by the Human Consciousness Project at the University of Southampton, which specializes in studying the human brain, consciousness and death.

About 25 centers in the US and Britain, including Addenbrooke's Hospital in Cambridge, University Hospital in Birmingham and the Morriston Hospital in Swansea, will take part in the experiment. Over the next three years about 15,000 patients will be brought to these hospitals suffering from cardiac arrest. Around 1,500 are likely to be resuscitated and hundreds will probably claim they had some sort of out-of-body experience when they were clinically dead.

To test whether such experiences involve the mind leaving the body, pictures will be placed around the areas of the hospital where heart attacks occur most frequently, such as accident and emergency and intensive care units. The pictures will only be visible from above. If patients are able to describe these pictures, project leaders argue that scientists will have to rethink how they understand the mind.

According to Dr Sam Parnia, director of the Human Consciousness Project, the research will help dispel the idea that death itself is a single event. "Death is not a specific moment," he says. "It is a process that begins when the heart stops beating, the lungs stop working and the brain ceases functioning – a medical condition termed cardiac arrest, which from a biological viewpoint is synonymous with clinical death.

‘There then follows a period of time, which may last from a few seconds to an hour or more, in which medical efforts may succeed in restarting the heart and reversing the dying process. What people experience during this period provides a unique window into what we are all likely to experience during the dying process’.

Mainstream scientific thinking generally describes out-of-body experiences as a ‘false memory’ dreamt up by the brain during resuscitation. But survivors' testimonies and a number of recent studies have shown that 10 to 20 per cent of people who go through cardiac arrest and clinical death report lucid thought processes, reasoning, memories and even detailed recall of events.

The research may help explain how patients have given accurate testimonies of what was happening to them while they were technically brain dead.
"The study aims to settle this debate once and for all," says Dr Parnia. "It may be that out-of-body experiences are false memories but until that has been scientifically tested we can't say for sure."

For Heather Sloan, a former nurse from Southampton, the research may help her understand her sensation of leaving her body and entering a white tunnel as she lay in intensive care. "I've met so many people who had similar experiences," she says. "I have no doubt we are more than flesh and blood. If science could prove that, it would be marvellous."
Heather Sloan, former nurse: 'I headed towards a light'
Heather Sloan from Southampton suffered an internal bleed and says she had an out-of-body experience.

"The last thing I remembered was being rushed to the hospital. Then I passed out. When I came to I was standing next to my bed and, being a nurse, I started checking temperature and blood pressure. It was only after a while that I noticed I was looking at myself. Then I felt myself leaving my body and heading towards this light where hundreds of people were waiting for me. I started to get a bit distressed as I had an 18-month-old daughter at home. I asked these voices why I was there and they told me I had lost my baby. I didn't even realise I was pregnant. Eventually I felt like I was allowed to return and began making my way back to my body. The next thing I remembered was being conscious and surrounded by nurses. They told me that I'd lost a baby but of course I already knew."