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[Seth Haniel]

http://video.google....595672097969035

missing scientists - mars inhabited etc

been waiting for this for a long time -

I watched its original braodcast and have had a grainy audio tape that I recorded from the TV - long before video - have read the book - now need the t-shirt

[skylark]

Seth Haniel, on Oct 2 2008, 07:08 PM, said:

http://video.google....595672097969035

missing scientists - mars inhabited etc

been waiting for this for a long time -

I watched its original braodcast and have had a grainy audio tape that I recorded from the TV - long before video - have read the book - now need the t-shirt

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*YES indeed Seth...a juicy mystery with relevance even today-missing Scientists*

*'Sweeps' NOTE:
....24 highly placed/educated Scientists from Britain...simply Vanished from 'the face of the Earth' in the 70;s. In other countries...similar Scientific expertise professionals AND even a cross section of other professions/cum various career people met the same fate. So, this 'very long hidden' video/documentary has emerged to tickle us again with this HUGE mystery. But, there are clues...do they end on a Martian Secret Landing/exploration/camp site/Bases? I DO know something about this, and can't share more at this time. BUT YES...keep your speculations 'Non Linear' on this one. The CURTIN on these TOTAL 'covered up' disappearances...are still SECRETLY going on today.
Is there a base(s) on Mars? YES!! Are SUN Cycles respnsible for what's happeining today with the CLIMATE? YES!! Does Human Activity/CO2 effecting things? NO...well so nominally/minimally that it doesn't even registar in the Climate equation. Are 'We' on Earth...heading for a 'Mini ICE AGE' instead of 'Global Warming'? YES!! Have 'we' been in touch with 'Alien/ET' Intelligence? YES!! Do 'The Tall Whites'/ET's and other species have anything to do with what this Documentary/Video explores/talks about. YES!!
Have fun/learn with this great 'FIND' by Seth. NO WONDER...he was so excited about the find. All the best from us on the Forum for this tantalizing puzzle./'S'

[captain]

skylark, on Oct 2 2008, 07:54 PM, said:

*'Sweeps' NOTE:
....24 highly placed/educated Scientists from Britain...simply Vanished from 'the face of the Earth' in the 70;s. In other countries...similar Scientific expertise professionals AND even a cross section of other professions/cum various career people met the same fate. So, this 'very long hidden' video/documentary has emerged to tickle us again with this HUGE mystery. But, there are clues...do they end on a Martian Secret Landing/exploration/camp site? I DO know something about this, and can't share more at this time. BUT YES...keep your speculartion 'Non Linear' on this one. The CURTIN on these TOTAL 'covered up' disappearances...are still SECRETLY going on today.
Is there a base(s) on Mars? YES!! Are SUN Cycles respnsible for what's happeining today with the CLIMATE? YES!! Does Human Activity/CO2 effecting things? NO...well so nominally/minimally that it doesn't even registar in the Climate equation. Are 'We' on Earth...heading for a 'Mini ICE AGE' instead of 'Global Warming'? YES!! Have 'we' been in touch with 'Alien/ET' Intelligence? YES!! Do 'The Tall Whites'/ET's and other species have anything to do with what this Documentary/Video explores/talks about. YES!!
Have fun/learn with this great 'FIND' by Seth. NO WONDER...he was so excited about the find. All the best from us on the Forum for this tantalizing puzzle./'S'

-Yes Seth, we're all indebted to you for this. Most informative-very investigative early Video-

While this VIDEO is dated, it is still applicable despite its' lacking of 'what we know today',
-It's amazing HOW CLOSE this investigative Video from the 70's came to the actuality of today's understandings. Very important to watch this till the end-where startling revelations are made.
This is such a GREAT place to start for people completely 'unwashed' in what's been going on 'behind their backs' for decades. Puts it all in good perspective, and invites them hopefully to continue their knowledge/fact gathering with us here on the Forum. Many thanks-Captain

[Seth Haniel]

I remember the next day after it was shown on TV - the newspaper headlines with people up in arms that they had been fooled - as in the closing credits it said filmed 1st April 1977 -
but when one is hit by a shock you can react in two ways either 'laugh' or 'get angry'

a couple of days later an Russian dissident living in London confirmed the explosion in Russia mentioned in the film

[skylark]

Seth Haniel, on Oct 3 2008, 08:54 AM, said:

I remember the next day after it was shown on TV - the newspaper headlines with people up in arms that they had been fooled - as in the closing credits it said filmed 1st April 1977 -
but when one is hit by a shock you can react in two ways either 'laugh' or 'get angry'

a couple of days later an Russian dissident living in London confirmed the explosion in Russia mentioned in the film

*Hi Seth,
...Well one can also be 'BLAH'.But yes, the EXPLOSION is well documented...and forgotten as USUAL by the vast majority with selective/untrained memories. These people best fit the lable 'SHEEPLE'. They simply don't want to know/have it programmed out of them/or automatically delete it as unimportant to their reality view...since they still cling to letting their Major Institutions have the control to 'tell them'./'S'

[Morph]

Great post, Seth.

Mars is a bus stop away. We as a civilization have travelled amongst the stars. If not physically...most certainly...subconsciously.

[Zelong]

Thanks Seth Haniel, Science Report Alternative 3 documentary was very interesting,as normal I studied the information, pictures everything so as to Prove or Debunk.My personal belief is it is a Hoax sorry but we need to debunk stuff to get it out of the way.

In another project I got involved in(missing Mcmoon Tapes ATS) I learned a lot about these "Juke Box" "Decoders" as Bob Grodin (supposed Apollo astronaut) calls them, the machine needed is a Ampex FR-900 and it uses 70mm tape,there's a reference to a 8mm tape, 8mm is home movie stuff so I thought he has filmed with an 8mm of an actual digital screen which is need to view.... yes I did say digital screen....

Ampex FR-900 working machine:

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@48:94 Girl says"he said you have to fit it to a IC something 40 and you get a Duke Box does
that mean anything" he said you got to play back Ballentines tape thats all"

Now this daughter board that the TV crew slotted into a supposed "IC something 40" machine with what looked like a digital screen? had what looked like 70mm tape? and where's the 8mm tape?
shissh bare with me

This information alone which is the Major Key to this story is just incorrect.
I have a lot more info put it goes off topic.

(if anyone would like to see the Ampex FR-900 running I have a .flv video of it.With the promise of not releasing it on the web as it has been pull out of Respect to the Project Team undertaking the task of Decoding the digital tapes.Thank you. )

Gooooogle "Bob Grodin' for starters


Another Hoax Source:

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Austin writes that he was both delighted and disturbed by the Alternative 3 controversy, and adds that the reasons "a clever hoax, openly admitted to be such by its creators, should continue to exercise the fascination it so obviously does the best part of a generation after its first appearance is beyond my feeble powers of analysis and explanation." [1]

An article by Loy Lawhon reports that "everyone involved with the Alternative 3 documentary admits that it was fiction(.)" [2]

One unsourced account reports that the producers of Alternative 3 "announced that the entire thing had been a joke." [3]

A more detailed explanation of the hoax is featured in a study of conspiracy theory subculture and literature, Culture of Conspiracy: Apocalyptic Visions in Contemporary America (2003), wherein Michael Barkun devotes a few pages to Alternative 3.

Barkun writes that "Alternative 3 was clearly a hoax — and not only because it was intended for broadcast on April Fools Day. The interviews with supposed scientists, astronauts, and others were far too dramatically polished to have been spontaneous, and in any case, the episode's closing credits named the actors who took the roles of interviewees and correspondents.

Zelong.

[Seth Haniel]

More truth in it than you think -
Do you honestly think it would have got past the 'D' notice of the day if it had come out as a factual documentary - that is why it was stupidly labelled as an April Fool ( PTB failing to realize that to be a fool only works pre-noon on April 1st )
Look at the work of Milton William Cooper 'Behold a Pale Horse' he confirms the majority of the film.
As with any documentary of the time the only way it would get an airing on tv is if it showed the lunatic fringe at the beginging - Middle and end of film - so any one watching missed the facts in the middle - a trick used by Project Blue Book where it called in members of the public off the street to view a film clip. Not telling them what it was about and then report what they saw.
The film consisted of flocks of birds flying - objects fling at high speed and manouvering -then more flocks of birds - the reports said they saw flocks of birds so Blue Book went with that.
More recent wool pulling was on the case of the Cottingley Fairies where someone reported that the photographer on her death bed had said it was a hoax - after decades of strongly denying it and one hell of a lot of evidence against a hoax -
Guess what the Sheeple follow
It is surprising what a little disinformation will do to discredit years of research

[skylark]

Seth Haniel, on Jan 29 2009, 02:09 PM, said:

More truth in it than you think -
Do you honestly think it would have got past the 'D' notice of the day if it had come out as a factual documentary - that is why it was stupidly labelled as an April Fool ( PTB failing to realize that to be a fool only works pre-noon on April 1st )
Look at the work of Milton William Cooper 'Behold a Pale Horse' he confirms the majority of the film.
As with any documentary of the time the only way it would get an airing on tv is if it showed the lunatic fringe at the beginging - Middle and end of film - so any one watching missed the facts in the middle - a trick used by Project Blue Book where it called in members of the public off the street to view a film clip. Not telling them what it was about and then report what they saw.
The film consisted of flocks of birds flying - objects fling at high speed and manouvering -then more flocks of birds - the reports said they saw flocks of birds so Blue Book went with that.
More recent wool pulling was on the case of the Cottingley Fairies where someone reported that the photographer on her death bed had said it was a hoax - after decades of strongly denying it and one hell of a lot of evidence against a hoax -
Guess what the Sheeple follow
It is surprising what a little disinformation will do to discredit years of research

*'Sweeps' NOTE:

Good exchange you guys. But 'Seth' is quite correct…'There is MORE to this than people realize'.
**When in Military Intelligence…I 'knew' of 'OUR' base on Mars. I had a security clearance rating which couldn't have even been mentioned several years ago. It's called 'Crypto Clearance'. There is another yet higher Clearance called 'Cosmic Clearance'. I've insinuated and announced this previously on my 'Shows'/in magazines/newsletters/and on other's Radio Shows. It's was NO SECRET to NASA. Actually the 1^st Base I was aware of was called 'Archimedes Base'…the CODE name for which was 'EUREKA'.

It was located in the South-West Hemisphere of Mars/underground.

…That said/disclosed, we are also privy to Charles Hall's 'Tall Whites'…who frequently enough 'ferry' (YES) U.S. Politicians/Generals/Military Staff back and forth to Mars/and the Moon on their Scout Ships from 'Nellis Air Force Base/Indian Springs/Nevada/adjacent to 'Area 51'…which can operate within our 'Solar System'. Their bigger inter-stellar craft are not used for that purpose.
...BTW, Scientists/various skilled people/and 'others', continue to 'VANISH' from Earth*

**NOW…below are some E-mails exchanges…explaining My, Dr. Wolf's, Clark McClelland's, and Edgar Mitchell's/the Astronauts knowledge of these Bases…who have JUST gone public. Have a read. That's why I was delighted to have Seth 'put up' this Topic. People have a 'right to know'.

It is also part of the reason this 'FORUM' and my Radio Shows were initiated…to get the message out, and prepare people for 'what's coming'/and for what's always been here. Many thanks/'S'

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Sweeps,
Yes, Dr. Michael Wolf, then you, then Clark McClelland, and finally
apparently by Astronaut Edgar Mitchell.
Should be enough affirmation, except for the Cabal debunkers.
Richard Boylan, Ph.D.

Friends,
Here are excerpts from a message which Kennedy Space Center Shuttle
Control Officer Clark McClelland sent me.
"I am ONLY Clark C. McClelland, former ScO, Space Shuttle Fleet,
KSC,,Florida!
"A new Prophet, maybe; well we can wait and see. I am certain I
will NOT be here to know it.
"Mars has a secret Astronaut Corp there NOW! It has been on Mars
for many decades.
"What do you think CLEANED the Mars Rover view ports after that
terrible dust storm a year or so ago?
"NASA acted "surprised", but, some within the agency has that
knowledge.
As I DO!
"We are at least FIFTY YEARS + ahead of the general knowledge that the human race has been informed of to date.
"The former CEO of the Lockheed Skunk Works, Ben Rich, told me that
at KSC in person.
"He has died now, so I feel it is OK to release what he said to me."
Clark"
From Richard Boylan, Ph.D.
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To: DrBoylan
Subject: Re: Clark McClelland reveals more astronaut knowledge
secrets/Reply/'Sweeps' Fox

Well Imagine Doc.,
...Yes received your subsequent 'mail' re Dr. Edgar Mitchell vouching for
'McClelland' to the degree he knew of.
But...I had told you about 'Our' Bases on Mars previously. Tah/Thanks/'Sweeps'

Friends,
This from Clark McClelland, retired ScO, Kennedy Space Center (KSC).

- Richard Boylan, Ph.D.
01-17-2009

NASA Astronaut, Apollo 14, Dr. Edgar Mitchell verified the KSC experiences and status of Clark C. McClelland ,

last night on a UK Radio interview he had with a radio announcer.

Clark (McClelland, former ScO, Space Shuttle Fleet, Kennedy Space Center, Florida, 1958 to 1992) A TRUE United States Space Program Pioneer!

A witness of and who launched a total number of 702 Space Missions, Military, and Civilian during his many BELOVED years working with his family members at these bases.
Clark

[simple simon]

Hi Sweeps, all,

How does what Gary McKinnon found about the non terrestial officers etc fit in with all this?

And how soon before we regular mortals get to being able to visit these places??? (will it be after the population reduction??)

Just curious...

Simon

ps, Although I did not see it at the time I know of Alternative 3... the best place to hide a truth is right in front of people's noses!!!!

[simple simon]

Finally I've now got to see this film... Thanks Seth. On a purely mundane level, its interesting how they talk of the extreme weather (including the hot summers of the mid 1970's - which I very much remember) and then more or less suggest that they will lead to an ice age. This too seems to be fact dressed up as fiction.

as for the other content of the film, hmm...

I think the biggest issue with the 'UFO' and 'life elsewhere' (ours / others) topics is the lack of public domain evidence. Even sceptics would change their views - if only there was something official, such as documentary evidence shown on TV.

There has to be a reason why... including why the ET's themselves are still waiting until 2013 / 7 before they will force the issue and make disclosure happen if it has not already been done.

I've read of accounts of people who have had physical meetings with Reptilians etc who have been told that the one thing which is forbidden over everything else is the use of a camera. In other words, no proof which can be shown to anyone else. On some yahoo lists (plus elsewhere) those who are contactees say that they have been told that contact will always be personal, and that the 'off-worlders' themselves are always very careful to ensure that they do not let slip anything which would draw attention to their true heritage in a public way.

What are they afraid of? Why is the truth to be so feared?

Is it really because of our still being in 'quarantine'?

Is it still out of concern how people here will react? Even the people in South America who are more kindly disposed towards the reality of the existence of 'the ancestors'?

Is it because they take the view that 'going public' will be against the free will of many humans? But what about the 'free will' of those who would be able to accept contact easily (eg: aforementioned South Americans?)

Maybe the idea is for info to trickle out and to slowly expand through the population with this being seen as a kinder way to spread information rather than a sudden announcement by the Queen / Pope / President etc?

At times the secrecy it is a real pain in the *ss... even for people who (like me) have not had Sweeps' experiences / encounters / access to hidden knowledge. At times even I have to be careful what I say to people, to avoid ridicule, etc. More than once I've been told that I am mad / a crank / delusional etc because I actually believe in this... and really do think that zero point energy is a possibility... (apparently at least one form of such is related to magnetics and is used at some of the DUMBS which are shared with 'others'). I should add that thanks to something I said on Dr Boylan's list I was visited one night (at 3am by white faced owls, which of course were not owls), and after an experience on a different night I often wonder if I have something in one of my ears which does not belong to me.

Of course for those who do know and are known to know the situation must be even more frustrating... although maybe what happened to John Maynard helps buy silence. (I'm told that he was 'picked up' whilst at LAX and about to fly to Sydney, Australia, - this being because he was saying 'too much'). Hopefully he is still alive and one day will be able to return to Oz and (name deleted); this much I do not know.

Simon

Edited by simple simon, 16 March 2009 - 01:09 PM.

[skylark]

simple simon, on Mar 16 2009, 01:02 PM, said:

Finally I've now got to see this film... Thanks Seth. On a purely mundane level, its interesting how they talk of the extreme weather (including the hot summers of the mid 1970's - which I very much remember) and then more or less suggest that they will lead to an ice age. This too seems to be fact dressed up as fiction.

as for the other content of the film, hmm...

I think the biggest issue with the 'UFO' and 'life elsewhere' (ours / others) topics is the lack of public domain evidence. Even sceptics would change their views - if only there was something official, such as documentary evidence shown on TV.

There has to be a reason why... including why the ET's themselves are still waiting until 2013 / 7 before they will force the issue and make disclosure happen if it has not already been done.

I've read of accounts of people who have had physical meetings with Reptilians etc who have been told that the one thing which is forbidden over everything else is the use of a camera. In other words, no proof which can be shown to anyone else. On some yahoo lists (plus elsewhere) those who are contactees say that they have been told that contact will always be personal, and that the 'off-worlders' themselves are always very careful to ensure that they do not let slip anything which would draw attention to their true heritage in a public way.

What are they afraid of? Why is the truth to be so feared?

Is it really because of our still being in 'quarantine'?

Is it still out of concern how people here will react? Even the people in South America who are more kindly disposed towards the reality of the existence of 'the ancestors'?

Is it because they take the view that 'going public' will be against the free will of many humans? But what about the 'free will' of those who would be able to accept contact easily (eg: aforementioned South Americans?)

Maybe the idea is for info to trickle out and to slowly expand through the population with this being seen as a kinder way to spread information rather than a sudden announcement by the Queen / Pope / President etc?

At times the secrecy it is a real pain in the *ss... even for people who (like me) have not had Sweeps' experiences / encounters / access to hidden knowledge. At times even I have to be careful what I say to people, to avoid ridicule, etc. More than once I've been told that I am mad / a crank / delusional etc because I actually believe in this... and really do think that zero point energy is a possibility... (apparently at least one form of such is related to magnetics and is used at some of the DUMBS which are shared with 'others'). I should add that thanks to something I said on Dr Boylan's list I was visited one night (at 3am by white faced owls, which of course were not owls), and after an experience on a different night I often wonder if I have something in one of my ears which does not belong to me.

Of course for those who do know and are known to know the situation must be even more frustrating... although maybe what happened to John Maynard helps buy silence. (I'm told that he was 'picked up' whilst at LAX and about to fly to Sydney, Australia, - this being because he was saying 'too much'). Hopefully he is still alive and one day will be able to return to Oz and (name deleted); this much I do not know.

Simon

*Howdy Simon,
...Understand your quandry about the UFO Experiences/cum difficulty coming to terms with it and 'Disclosure' aspects.
Your 'White Owls' exposure is interesting alright. Have to elaborate maybe on this...could be 'Tall Whites'?
Later maybe, but I've now put in a LINK here for you to consider. Watch/Listen...has to do with 'The Secret Government'...and who CONTROLS them? Could open up some 'Stir of understanding across your mind'. I know of these things...this could help you. Best/'S'

Visit My Website

[simple simon]

Whilst I cannot say 'no' it is unlikely that the visitors were the Tall Whites. I say this because the visit occurred shortly after I had joined in a discussion on Dr Boylan's UFOFacts list, with the topic of the thread being the rearing of the human / Zetan hybrids and how sometimes the human mothers are brought to visit the young children (usually at night) so that the children can experience human maternal nurturing.

My thoughts are that the Zetans 'came to see who I am'.

Subsequent to this there have been a few (very) occasional messages which have been presented to the group as coming from the Zetans which give information, etc that suggests that they can be included in the many 'silent' members who read messages and follow whats being said but rarely speak up.

Simon

[simple simon]

skylark, on Oct 2 2008, 06:54 PM, said:

*'Sweeps' NOTE:
<snip> Does Human Activity/CO2 effecting things? NO...well so nominally/minimally that it doesn't even registar in the Climate equation.

BUT... pollution from motor vehicles does cause respiratory illness (asthma, etc) and even contributes towards heart disease in us surface dwellers (especially those who live in cities) so therefore it IS still very much worthwhile reducing such pollution.

The present fad for 'hybrid' buses is a sham too, as these are still diesel buses and they still give off the harmful PM10 etc pollutants which enter deep into our lungs.

Even semi-intelligent animals try to avoid fouling their living space. OK, so even we humans do not (normally) defecate in our living rooms, but my view is that at a minimum our entire cities are our 'living space' (although ideally we should see the entire planet as such). Anyway, when thinking of childhood asthma I have to ask what sort of species are we that we happily allow so many of our next generation to suffer such illnesses? Do we have a 'death wish'?

(maybe our true leaders are trying to achieve the 500 million target in the Georgia guidestones?)


Simon

Edited by simple simon, 17 March 2009 - 11:24 AM.

[skylark]

simple simon, on Mar 17 2009, 09:53 AM, said:

Whilst I cannot say 'no' it is unlikely that the visitors were the Tall Whites. I say this because the visit occurred shortly after I had joined in a discussion on Dr Boylan's UFOFacts list, with the topic of the thread being the rearing of the human / Zetan hybrids and how sometimes the human mothers are brought to visit the young children (usually at night) so that the children can experience human maternal nurturing.

My thoughts are that the Zetans 'came to see who I am'.

Subsequent to this there have been a few (very) occasional messages which have been presented to the group as coming from the Zetans which give information, etc that suggests that they can be included in the many 'silent' members who read messages and follow whats being said but rarely speak up.

Simon

*Hey Simon,
...Great Bio/cum 'Soul Baring insight' you've given here. Hope the Group/readers/members will have something to think about with your revelations...and get back with their own questions/comments/opinions. Very fascinating look in at you. Many thanks...and stay 'Free'/'S'