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Posted 14 December 2008 - 11:08 PM



This makes me think of the way Hitler treated the President of the then Czechoslovakia when (in 1938) the Nazi storm troopers invaded.

Its not worrying - it just helps confirm what most people already thought about the EU. In other words, when these 'officials' do things like this they are making themselves their own worst enemies.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columni...EU-assault.html

Czech leader in shock after EU assault
A bizarre confrontation in Hradcany Castle confirms the inablilty of the Euro-elite to accept anyone else's opinions, writes Christopher Booker.

Christopher Booker
Last Updated: 10:28AM GMT 14 Dec 2008

Comments 96 | Comment on this article

Imagine that a Franco-German MEP, invited to meet the Queen at Buckingham Palace, plonked down in front of her an EU "ring of stars" flag, insisting that she hoist it over the palace alongside the Royal Standard, and then proceeded to address her in a deliberately insulting way. The British people, if news of the incident leaked out, might not be too pleased.

Something not dissimilar took place at a remarkable recent meeting between the heads of the groups in the European Parliament and Vaclav Klaus, the Czech head of state, in his palace in Hradcany Castle, on a hill overlooking Prague. The aim was to discuss how the Czechs should handle the EU's rotating six-monthly presidency when they take over from France on January 1.

The EU's ruling elite view President Klaus, a distinguished academic economist, with a mixture of bewilderment, hatred and contempt. As his country's prime minister, he applied to join the EU in the days after the fall of Communism in the 1990s. But now Klaus is alone among European leaders in expressing openly Eurosceptic views, not least about the Lisbon Treaty, which the Czech parliament has yet to ratify.

Klaus was an outspoken dissident under the Communist regime, and he has come to regard the EU as dangerously anti-democratic. But he compounds this sin with highly sceptical views on global warming, on which he recently published a book, Blue Planet in Green Shackles. He likens the extreme environmentalism favoured by the EU to Communism, as a serious threat to democracy, freedom and prosperity.

So when Klaus was due to meet the MEPs, one of them decided this was a moment to display the Euro-elite's hostility to him. Daniel Cohn-Bendit, who is German born but lives in France, first came to prominence in Paris in 1968 as a student agitator. He is now leader of the Green MEPs. Talking loudly in the plane to Prague, he made no secret of his intentions, and brief French journalists on how to get maximum publicity for his planned insults.

I happen to know the splendid room in which the meeting took place, because I sat there myself with President Klaus in 2005, when he had arranged for a history of the EU I had co-authored to be published in Czech. As Cohn-Bendit was aware, the only flag that flies over the castle is the presidential standard (though the "ring of stars" is much in evidence elsewhere in Prague, flown outside every government ministry).

As described to me by someone present, President Klaus greeted the MEPs with his usual genial courtesy. Whatever his own views, he assured them, his countrymen would conduct their presidency in fully "communautaire" fashion. Cohn-Bendit then staged his ambush. Brusquely plonking down his EU flag., which he observed sarcastically was so much in evidence around the palace, he warned that the Czechs would be expected to put through the EU's "climate change package" without interference.

"You can believe what you want," he scornfully told the president, "but I don't believe, I know that global warming is a reality." He added, "my view is based on scientific views and the majority approval of the EU Parliament".

He then moved on to the Lisbon Treaty. "I don't care about your opinions on it," he said. If the Czech Parliament approves the treaty in February, he demanded, "Will you respect the will of the representatives of the people?"

He then reprimanded the president for his recent meeting in Ireland with Declan Ganley, the millionaire leader of the "No" campaign in the Irish referendum, claiming that it was improper for Klaus to have talked to someone whose "finances come from problematic sources".

Visibly taken aback by this onslaught, Klaus observed: "I must say that no one has talked to me in such a style and tone in the past six years. You are not on the barricades in Paris here. I thought that such manners ended for us 19 years ago" (ie when Communism fell). When Klaus suggested to Hans-Gert Pöttering, the president of the EU Parliament, that perhaps it was time for someone else to take the floor, Pöttering replied that "anyone from the members of the Parliament can ask you what he likes", and invited Cohn-Bendit to continue.

"This is incredible', said Klaus. "I have never experienced anything like this before."

After a further exchange, in which Cohn-Bendit compared Klaus unfavourably with his predecessor, President Havel, he gave way to an Irish MEP, Brian Crowley, who began by saying "all his life my father fought against the British domination [of Ireland]… That is why I dare to say that the Irish wish for the Lisbon Treaty. It was an insult, Mr President, to me and the Irish people what you said during your state visit to Ireland." Klaus repeated that he had not experienced anything like this for19 years and that it seemed we were no longer living in a democracy, but that it was "post-democracy which rules the EU".

On the EU constitution, Klaus recalled that three countries had voted against it, and that if Mr Crowley wanted to talk about insults to the Irish people, "the biggest insult to the Irish people is not to accept the result of the Irish referendum". This provoked Crowley to retort angrily, "You will not tell me what the Irish think. As an Irishman, I know it best."

Everntually Pöttering closed the meeting by saying that he wanted to leave the room "in good terms", but it was quite unacceptable to compare himself and his colleagues with the Soviet Union. Klaus replied that he had not mentioned the Soviet Union: "I only said that I had not experienced such an atmosphere, such a style of debate, in the Czech Republic in the last 19 years."

This bizarre confrontation, which has been recounted and discussed with shock across formerly Communist eastern Europe, confirms the inability of the Euro-elite to accept that anyone holds different views from their own, on Lisbon, global warming or anything else. As we see from the way our own political parties are run, when it comes to "Europe", the system has no place for opposition. Everything must be decided by "consensus", directed from the top. There is only one approved "party line". Apart from a few little powerless dissidents round the edges, the EU is thus in essence a one-party state.

It was a sense of this that powerfully influenced the French, Dutch and Irish people, when they were given the chance, to vote against the constitution which will cement that one-party state into place more firmly than ever. And it explains why, last week, the European Council told the Irish that they must hold their referendum again, on the understanding that this time they will get it right. That is the way one-party states behave – as President Klaus, who lived under one for the first 50 years of his life, knows only too well.

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Posted 15 December 2008 - 12:22 AM

View Postsimple simon, on Dec 14 2008, 11:08 PM, said:



This makes me think of the way Hitler treated the President of the then Czechoslovakia when (in 1938) the Nazi storm troopers invaded.

Its not worrying - it just helps confirm what most people already thought about the EU. In other words, when these 'officials' do things like this they are making themselves their own worst enemies.

Simon (who would support a democratic, freedom loving EU - if only it was!)

(and who is sharing pro-democratic viewpoints with people from outside of the EU before such becomes a crime)


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http://tinyurl.com/6eq25q

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columni...EU-assault.html

Czech leader in shock after EU assault
A bizarre confrontation in Hradcany Castle confirms the inablilty of the Euro-elite to accept anyone else's opinions, writes Christopher Booker.

Christopher Booker
Last Updated: 10:28AM GMT 14 Dec 2008

Comments 96 | Comment on this article

Imagine that a Franco-German MEP, invited to meet the Queen at Buckingham Palace, plonked down in front of her an EU "ring of stars" flag, insisting that she hoist it over the palace alongside the Royal Standard, and then proceeded to address her in a deliberately insulting way. The British people, if news of the incident leaked out, might not be too pleased.

Something not dissimilar took place at a remarkable recent meeting between the heads of the groups in the European Parliament and Vaclav Klaus, the Czech head of state, in his palace in Hradcany Castle, on a hill overlooking Prague. The aim was to discuss how the Czechs should handle the EU's rotating six-monthly presidency when they take over from France on January 1.

The EU's ruling elite view President Klaus, a distinguished academic economist, with a mixture of bewilderment, hatred and contempt. As his country's prime minister, he applied to join the EU in the days after the fall of Communism in the 1990s. But now Klaus is alone among European leaders in expressing openly Eurosceptic views, not least about the Lisbon Treaty, which the Czech parliament has yet to ratify.

Klaus was an outspoken dissident under the Communist regime, and he has come to regard the EU as dangerously anti-democratic. But he compounds this sin with highly sceptical views on global warming, on which he recently published a book, Blue Planet in Green Shackles. He likens the extreme environmentalism favoured by the EU to Communism, as a serious threat to democracy, freedom and prosperity.

So when Klaus was due to meet the MEPs, one of them decided this was a moment to display the Euro-elite's hostility to him. Daniel Cohn-Bendit, who is German born but lives in France, first came to prominence in Paris in 1968 as a student agitator. He is now leader of the Green MEPs. Talking loudly in the plane to Prague, he made no secret of his intentions, and brief French journalists on how to get maximum publicity for his planned insults.

I happen to know the splendid room in which the meeting took place, because I sat there myself with President Klaus in 2005, when he had arranged for a history of the EU I had co-authored to be published in Czech. As Cohn-Bendit was aware, the only flag that flies over the castle is the presidential standard (though the "ring of stars" is much in evidence elsewhere in Prague, flown outside every government ministry).

As described to me by someone present, President Klaus greeted the MEPs with his usual genial courtesy. Whatever his own views, he assured them, his countrymen would conduct their presidency in fully "communautaire" fashion. Cohn-Bendit then staged his ambush. Brusquely plonking down his EU flag., which he observed sarcastically was so much in evidence around the palace, he warned that the Czechs would be expected to put through the EU's "climate change package" without interference.

"You can believe what you want," he scornfully told the president, "but I don't believe, I know that global warming is a reality." He added, "my view is based on scientific views and the majority approval of the EU Parliament".

He then moved on to the Lisbon Treaty. "I don't care about your opinions on it," he said. If the Czech Parliament approves the treaty in February, he demanded, "Will you respect the will of the representatives of the people?"

He then reprimanded the president for his recent meeting in Ireland with Declan Ganley, the millionaire leader of the "No" campaign in the Irish referendum, claiming that it was improper for Klaus to have talked to someone whose "finances come from problematic sources".

Visibly taken aback by this onslaught, Klaus observed: "I must say that no one has talked to me in such a style and tone in the past six years. You are not on the barricades in Paris here. I thought that such manners ended for us 19 years ago" (ie when Communism fell). When Klaus suggested to Hans-Gert Pöttering, the president of the EU Parliament, that perhaps it was time for someone else to take the floor, Pöttering replied that "anyone from the members of the Parliament can ask you what he likes", and invited Cohn-Bendit to continue.

"This is incredible', said Klaus. "I have never experienced anything like this before."

After a further exchange, in which Cohn-Bendit compared Klaus unfavourably with his predecessor, President Havel, he gave way to an Irish MEP, Brian Crowley, who began by saying "all his life my father fought against the British domination [of Ireland]… That is why I dare to say that the Irish wish for the Lisbon Treaty. It was an insult, Mr President, to me and the Irish people what you said during your state visit to Ireland." Klaus repeated that he had not experienced anything like this for19 years and that it seemed we were no longer living in a democracy, but that it was "post-democracy which rules the EU".

On the EU constitution, Klaus recalled that three countries had voted against it, and that if Mr Crowley wanted to talk about insults to the Irish people, "the biggest insult to the Irish people is not to accept the result of the Irish referendum". This provoked Crowley to retort angrily, "You will not tell me what the Irish think. As an Irishman, I know it best."

Everntually Pöttering closed the meeting by saying that he wanted to leave the room "in good terms", but it was quite unacceptable to compare himself and his colleagues with the Soviet Union. Klaus replied that he had not mentioned the Soviet Union: "I only said that I had not experienced such an atmosphere, such a style of debate, in the Czech Republic in the last 19 years."

This bizarre confrontation, which has been recounted and discussed with shock across formerly Communist eastern Europe, confirms the inability of the Euro-elite to accept that anyone holds different views from their own, on Lisbon, global warming or anything else. As we see from the way our own political parties are run, when it comes to "Europe", the system has no place for opposition. Everything must be decided by "consensus", directed from the top. There is only one approved "party line". Apart from a few little powerless dissidents round the edges, the EU is thus in essence a one-party state.

It was a sense of this that powerfully influenced the French, Dutch and Irish people, when they were given the chance, to vote against the constitution which will cement that one-party state into place more firmly than ever. And it explains why, last week, the European Council told the Irish that they must hold their referendum again, on the understanding that this time they will get it right. That is the way one-party states behave – as President Klaus, who lived under one for the first 50 years of his life, knows only too well.

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*'The Gathering Storm*


*You are 'quite right' Simon,
...Folks are 'catching on', to the STORM TROOPER' tactics of this 'out of control' hegemony dominated by the Franco/German AXIS.

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We also KNOW that the 'Global Warming /Climate Change agendas are falsely based, and more in keeping with Pseudo Science. But it's a way to heap TAXES and 'Carbon Footprint' CHARGES on Europes populace.
The 'strutting' brash confrontation with the Czech leader...and 'threatening manner' of that meeting...highlights, and should be warning to Europeans, the nature of 1 Party Rule.
Imagine...not ALLOWING individual Nation's citizens the RIGHT to VOTE on referendums!! This is so 'ANTI-DEMOCRATIC'. No wonder the French and German people took to the streets, but to no avail. BTW...the Irish PM/The Taoiseach doesn't represent the 'IRISH PEOPLE'...he represents his Party's Government.
As I said....and Promised...Simon and all, let 'THEM' come. If they want a war, let it start here in Ireland. This time there will be blood in the streets, and the start of 'CIVIL WAR'.
The PLAN is already in waiting...for ANY contingency.
It WILL NOT be revealed here/Now, but mark my words...'Don't Tread On Us'./'Sweeps'


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Posted 15 December 2008 - 08:23 PM

View Postskylark, on Dec 15 2008, 12:22 AM, said:



*You are 'quite right' Simon,
...Folks are 'catching on', to the STORM TROOPER' tactics of this 'out of control' hegemony dominated by the Franco/German AXIS.

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We also KNOW that the 'Global Warming /Climate Change agendas are falsely based, and more in keeping with Pseudo Science. But it's a way to heap TAXES and 'Carbon Footprint' CHARGES on Europes populace.
The 'strutting' brash confrontation with the Czech leader...and 'threatening manner' of that meeting...highlights, and should be warning to Europeans, the nature of 1 Party Rule.
Imagine...not ALLOWING individual Nation's citizens the RIGHT to VOTE on referendums!! This is so 'ANTI-DEMOCRATIC'. No wonder the French and German people took to the streets, but to no avail. BTW...the Irish PM/The Taoiseach doesn't represent the 'IRISH PEOPLE'...he represents his Party's Government.
As I said....and Promised...Simon and all, let 'THEM' come. If they want a war, let it start here in Ireland. This time there will be blood in the streets, and the start of 'CIVIL WAR'.
The PLAN is already in waiting...for ANY contingency.
It WILL NOT be revealed here/Now, but mark my words...'Don't Tread On Us'./'Sweeps'

-Yea to that Sweeps and Simon-and all,
-We know from this CONFRONTATION with the Czech Leader that they plan to 'Shove this down our throats'. We will need 'A million' placards reading-'Governments don't decide/citizens do' &'We demand the Vote/Governments OUT'-for the multitudes of protestors 'coming to the game'.
-We also know this, and it's always been true:
Never forget, even for an instant, that the one and only reason anybody has for taking your gun away is to make you weaker than he is, so he can do something to you that you wouldn't allow him to do if you were equipped to prevent it. This goes for burglars, muggers, and rapists, and even more so for policemen, bureaucrats, and politicians.
-We will demand the RIGHT to keep and Bare arms, across Europe
-in order to take back our civil liberties and the 'Government(s) if necessary. 'Making laws/taxes without citizen voting/representation-is tyranny'-Captain ;)


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Posted 16 December 2008 - 12:06 AM

You need a communist logo on that flag - The Nazis and Soviet Communists are equally unwanted / anti democratic, etc!

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Posted 16 December 2008 - 06:15 PM

View Postsimple simon, on Dec 16 2008, 12:06 AM, said:

You need a communist logo on that flag - The Nazis and Soviet Communists are equally unwanted / anti democratic, etc!

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...Whatever, the idea is that the swastika is representative of 'Totalitarianism'...which is what the EU seems to be imitating in a 'Big Way'. People have to stand up and be counted now...'sitting on the fence' won't do anymore. Thanks/'S' ;)



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Posted 16 December 2008 - 10:29 PM

Yeees.. but

left wing totalitarianism is as unacceptable as right wing.

Both treat ordinary people with contempt - there to be worked hard until they drop dead. Or, in the case of young adults, to be used as live bait in warfare.

I think its important to stand up to both, as otherwise people will automatically assume that one supports the 'other' side - ie: in this case by being anti-right (Nazi) but not also demonstrably against left wing dictatorships so it gives rise to the impression that one might support the left.

Hitler was a 'nasty piece of work' in whose name many millions died - often horribly, but Stalin was no better - indeed as I understand it Stalin killed more than Hitler, albeit (mostly) within the borders of the Soviet Union whilst Hitler invaded other countries.



Also, as an impressionable lad aged 14 I remember the Khmer Rouge taking over in Cambodia and evacuating the cities. It was several decades before I fully understood why the western nations happily and willingly allowed the horrors of Pol Pot to continue unchecked. This made me realise that the teachers at school who suggested that oiks like Kissenger really were not interested in democracy and freedom.

Even now as I type this I can feel the emotion of horror I felt at the time from what I saw on the TV. I am also mindful that the western nations are setting themselves up for our lands to be invaded and be subjected to unspeakable horrors - albeit from vengeful people who still remember the Crusades. But not Ireland, as it will be spared before this happens.

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Klaus says will not drop objections to EU treaty
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BARVIKHA, Russia (AFP) - – Czech President Vaclav Klaus said Wednesday he would not drop objections to the European Union's Lisbon reform treaty, despite mounting pressure from EU leaders to sign.
"I explained that I fear, and I am not the only person to fear, a deepening of European Union integration," he said after talks with Russian President Dmitry Medvedev.
"For me it is something of vital importance. In my opinion, the conditions that I have made for signing the agreement are serious and the idea that I can forget what I have said is not well-founded."
His comments came the day after European Commission chief Jose Manuel Barroso told the Czech president -- who has become the last major obstacle to the long-awaited reform treaty's entry into force -- to quit stalling on the issue.
Poland's President Lech Kaczynski signed the treaty on Saturday, leaving the Czech Republic as the only EU state which has not adopted the text.
"I don't see any reason to send an important signal from Moscow about my position," added Klaus, speaking at Medvedev's official residence outside the Russian capital.
"I cannot say anything new here. But I tried to explain my position to the president," he added.
The treaty, meant to streamline decision making in an EU that has almost doubled in size in five years, has been ratified by parliaments or a referendum in all 27 member nations.
But Klaus -- a proud and often unpredictable head of state who insists that the Lisbon Treaty will only boost the "democratic deficit" in Europe -- has delayed signing it.
In a new twist last week, Klaus demanded a treaty exemption to prevent ethnic "Sudeten" Germans forced out of his country after World War II from reclaiming their property.
The move, which comes as the Czech Constitutional Court considers an appeal against the treaty by deputies -- many from the party Klaus founded -- means that EU leaders may have to take action to end the deadlock.
Barroso said Tuesday: "We expect the Czech Republic to honour the commitment it has taken. It is in the interests of nobody, least of all the interests of the Czech Republic, to delay matters further."
Meanwhile, speculation continued over the identity of the future president of the European Union, a job that will not even come into force before the Lisbon Treaty is adopted in all 27 member states.
Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi lent his backing to the nomination of former British leader Tony Blair.
"Tony Blair has what it takes to become the EU's first president," Berlusconi said in a letter published in the conservative Italian daily Il Foglio.
"My government and I will do our best to ensure that a great political heritage built from courage, balance and prudence ... will not dissipate," he wrote.
Blair has emerged as the early favourite for the key post, with support not only from the British government but also from France.
But resistance is growing to the idea, notably in the Benelex countries Belgium, Luxembourg and The Netherlands, which last week wrote a joint letter saying Blair "is not the best placed" candidate.


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