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[skylark]

Warning- -BUST IN 2009-We show you why

-Economic worldwide disaster –

*UPDATE VIDEO/COMMENTARY-BY ONE WHO SHOULD KNOW*

*'Sweeps' NOTE 3:
…Watch the 'Derivatives Market'…it's about to CRASH. Wall Street/STOCKS…are now being overwhelmed/falsified by fast 'machines', to give the appearance of 'A Bull Market'. Not only are the new high tech/high speed transactions giving big banks an overwhelming trading advantage over retail investors, they're also
creating a TOTALLY false impression about the REAL UN-health of the stock market.

These new high tech trading tools have rendered liquidity calculations…a very important barometer of market health… absolutely bogus. The consequences
of this will become apparent when the bottom falls out of the market suddenly and dramatically…FOR 'REAL' Get the video below/'S'

*CLICK below on the 'My Website' Link for this needed Video:

Visit My Website

*'Sweeps' NOTE 2:
Well Folks…you DO need to PAY ATTENTION TO THIS!!! Watch/listen to Celente on the LINK Here…he's a very smart guy…with a wealth of Financial background & on the job experience. What he is saying is a thousand times more accurate than what you are hearing from TV or other so called 'Major Media'. America… is in big trouble and they are not doing anything visible to Help us out. It will take many Years to PULL US OUT of 'This One'.
1^{ST '} in The States'…we would have to totally eliminate the federal reserve system, cancel all debt all the way from national to individual and start with new money.
In the mean time…suggest you all…plant gardens or grow things in pots if you can. Stock up food and all the staple items you can think of. And, buy gold and silver.

This VIDEO…'Lays it all out'…and Blasts 'Obama' and his team royally.
Recently…PM, Jim Sinclair made a similar statement, as have Harry
Schultz, and Richard Russell -- the greatest financial minds on the planet.
Their consensus is that this is now unavoidable. We've been concerned about this for the past four years. Now some are starting to pay attention.
Please get prepared. Things aren't as they use to be/'S'

*CLICK below on the 'My Website' Link for the TV Interview of Celente:

Visit My Website

*'Sweeps' NOTE 1:
…The Baltic Dry Index…BDI, is an indicator of how many products are actually
out for delivery throughout the world. It cannot be cheated or manipulated
because it deals with actual products that are either actively being shipped
or are on docks awaiting to be shipped as Freight On Board…FOB.
Most Folks don't even know about this 'INDEX'. It is an 'ABSOLUTE' indicator.
We expect this 'Whole Thing' to 'come down' in March of 2009. 'We' have been urging you to stock up on…dry foods like 50 lb bags of rice, 50 lb bags of oatmeal, powdered milk, canned foods, canned vegetables and such to assure your family will have enough to eat when the world economy totally collapses.
Read below…and PREPARE YOURSELVES. Pass this on folks-Thanks/'S'

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OK…back in June, 2008, the BDI stood at a reasonably healthy 11,600.
As of today…the BDI has plummeted to 791. That would be about a 94% drop
in goods actually being shipped worldwide.

This portends unprecedented disaster around the world, especially as it
relates to food. Products are simply not being shipped. They aren't being
shipped because there aren't any orders for them.

This 'Predicted' scenario…is irrefutable. The BDI proves that goods are not being shipped. There has been a 94% reduction in shipped goods since June of this year and it is only going to get worse.

If you do not have food stored up for your family…quite Simply…you will starve to death. If you do not own guns and ammunition…any food you DO have will be stolen by roving bands of savages who are trying not to starve to death.

Living in 'CITIES'….'Not Cool', but we've been saying that for years folks. 'Bad Vibes Man'.

...There will be attempts to take away your firearms and ammo of course...RESIST/FIGHT

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The social breakdown that is coming...is/will be…unparalleled in modern history. We are going to suffer on an order of magnitude greater than folks suffered
during the Great Depression.

Please, 'We' urge you, prepare. There are only a few precious months left before it all goes to hell.

[size="4"]**There SHOULD BE a gradual lessening of 'The Crisis' for some after 2010, But…no one should imagine that the improvement at the end of 2010 will
correspond to a return of high growth.

OK…in some regions of the world the 'Recovery' may start at the end of 2010…like Asia and parts of the Eurozone, as well as in countries producing energy, mineral and food commodities. BUT… elsewhere it will continue…in particular in the U.S. and the U.K…and in all the countries depending on their bankrupt economies. Here… duration could approximate a decade. In fact these countries should not expect any real return to growth before 2018.

YEP…the recovery will be long. For Instance…stock markets will take a decade to return to levels comparable to 2007, if they ever return to that.

** Finally…the risk to be EXPECTED…is of the sudden collapse of all capital-based pension systems…as part of the consequences of the crisis…for dozens of millions of people in the US, Canada, UK, Japan, Netherlands and Denmark in particular.

There is the fact that…from the end of the year 2008 onward…
news about major losses on the part of the organizations in charge of
managing the financial assets supposed to finance pensions will multiply.

[simple simon]

Thanks Sweeps,

As I understand it, whats coming will be such that even storing 6 months worth of food will not be enough.

For me there is another dilemma, in that I am about to become unemployed.

So, next month, I have 3 options.

1) Pay my tax bill
2) Save my money and keep paying off debts, hoping to find a new job before I run out of money
3) Buy food.

Or should I follow the 'alternative 4' option and 'disappear' in New Zealand?

Working on the basis that when I was unemployed last I was always 'OK' (although life was tough), that I have been assured that I have many years of life in front of me and that my health might benefit if I lost some weight, I am totally confused as to what to do!!!

So, I shall eat like a pig this Xmas (although I should add that I do not actually eat piggy) and hope to gain even more weight, as thats one store of food which cannot be stolen from me!

Palatable water is a concern however. And maybe I should buy some water resistant matches - so that I can have heat (fire) when all other energy sources cease?

Simon


PS: Wishing everyone a joyous festive season and all the best for 2009, good health, happiness, the realisation of your best dreams...

PPS: oh, woe is me, the Pound / Euro exchange rate is a nightmare

Edited by simple simon, 23 December 2008 - 11:31 PM.

[skylark]

simple simon, on Dec 23 2008, 11:27 PM, said:

Thanks Sweeps,

As I understand it, whats coming will be such that even storing 6 months worth of food will not be enough.

For me there is another dilemma, in that I am about to become unemployed.

So, next month, I have 3 options.

1) Pay my tax bill
2) Save my money and keep paying off debts, hoping to find a new job before I run out of money
3) Buy food.

Or should I follow the 'alternative 4' option and 'disappear' in New Zealand?

Working on the basis that when I was unemployed last I was always 'OK' (although life was tough), that I have been assured that I have many years of life in front of me and that my health might benefit if I lost some weight, I am totally confused as to what to do!!!

So, I shall eat like a pig this Xmas (although I should add that I do not actually eat piggy) and hope to gain even more weight, as thats one store of food which cannot be stolen from me!

Palatable water is a concern however. And maybe I should buy some water resistant matches - so that I can have heat (fire) when all other energy sources cease?

Simon


PS: Wishing everyone a joyous festive season and all the best for 2009, good health, happiness, the realisation of your best dreams...

PPS: oh, woe is me, the Pound / Euro exchange rate is a nightmare

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*Don't want to say 'you're welcome' Simon...since my spirit is Bleeding for you after that...dam

*

*Simon,
...Yes, realization of Dreams and all that is very nice...and we all thank you.
E-mail me and let me know some of the particulars kid.
Do Care about 'all that' Simon...and while the 'outlooks' are NOT Good & you're NOT alone, there are Caring people who would bend all efforts to help out. Something WILL be done....count on that. Have yourself that 'Piggy' binge and hope you have the warmth/comfort/love of family and friends through out this Season. All the very best/'S'

[simple simon]

Thanks Sweeps,

Sorry if at times I sound a little 'jokey' with my comments, I suppose its part of a way of coping with issues which are sometimes challenging.

I've been offline somewhat the past few days, away on Xmas day, spending time away from the internet, etc. This is such an artificial time of year but at least it lets people (partially) forget their worries for a few days. Like (I suppose many people) I have been eating a little more than usual, but not too much to excess. A few months ago a chocolate manufacturer named one of its products 'credit crunch', and seeing that I am a victim of this I thought that I might munch on some of that!

re: my 'piggy' comments, I do not eat pig (pork, ham, bacon, etc). This has nothing to do with any festival / holiday, etc or even the recent Irish contaminated feed issue. If I could I'd avoid meat (and poultry) completely, although not fish and especially not mackerel which is very good for us humans.

re: storing food for the coming shortages, I bet that as soon as the masses wake up to whats coming the governments will impose food hoarding restrictions, making it illegal to have more than a fortnight or so of food in a house...

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So, I go to work tomorrow (Monday) helping my boss empty everything out of a shop / workshop where the lease is being given up on the 31st. Then along with thousands of Woolworths and other employees of closing businesses I sign on. Assuming that my boss keeps me until Wednesday then I sign-on on Friday, as everything will be closed on Thursday.

Recently someone gave me a Tarot card reading, and said that I will only be unemployed for a short while, few months perhaps. We shall see.... in the meantime its the wrong time of the year to have a day out at the seaside - and the Euro exchange makes a day out in a European city (such as Dublin) far too expensive.... (anyway, cant plan ahead, in case I find myself being offered a job starting that day - in the computer industry many contract jobs are only offered the day before a person is expected to start!)

Simon

Edited by simple simon, 28 December 2008 - 09:33 PM.

[skylark]

simple simon, on Dec 28 2008, 09:27 PM, said:

Thanks Sweeps,

Sorry if at times I sound a little 'jokey' with my comments, I suppose its part of a way of coping with issues which are sometimes challenging.

I've been offline somewhat the past few days, away on Xmas day, spending time away from the internet, etc. This is such an artificial time of year but at least it lets people (partially) forget their worries for a few days. Like (I suppose many people) I have been eating a little more than usual, but not too much to excess. A few months ago a chocolate manufacturer named one of its products 'credit crunch', and seeing that I am a victim of this I thought that I might munch on some of that!

re: my 'piggy' comments, I do not eat pig (pork, ham, bacon, etc). This has nothing to do with any festival / holiday, etc or even the recent Irish contaminated feed issue. If I could I'd avoid meat (and poultry) completely, although not fish and especially not mackerel which is very good for us humans.

re: storing food for the coming shortages, I bet that as soon as the masses wake up to whats coming the governments will impose food hoarding restrictions, making it illegal to have more than a fortnight or so of food in a house...

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So, I go to work tomorrow (Monday) helping my boss empty everything out of a shop / workshop where the lease is being given up on the 31st. Then along with thousands of Woolworths and other employees of closing businesses I sign on. Assuming that my boss keeps me until Wednesday then I sign-on on Friday, as everything will be closed on Thursday.

Recently someone gave me a Tarot card reading, and said that I will only be unemployed for a short while, few months perhaps. We shall see.... in the meantime its the wrong time of the year to have a day out at the seaside - and the Euro exchange makes a day out in a European city (such as Dublin) far too expensive.... (anyway, cant plan ahead, in case I find myself being offered a job starting that day - in the computer industry many contract jobs are only offered the day before a person is expected to start!)

Simon

*Hey kid,
...I'm not at all 'happy' with that situation for you. I repeat...send me an E-mail. Best cheers/'S'

[simple simon]

skylark, on Dec 28 2008, 09:37 PM, said:

*Hey kid,
...I'm not at all 'happy' with that situation for you. I repeat...send me an E-mail. Best cheers/'S'

writing it now - you'll see it before midnight!

Simon

[skylark]

simple simon, on Dec 28 2008, 11:46 PM, said:

writing it now - you'll see it before midnight!

Simon

*Right and OK Simon,
...Got the 'mail' on that. Will get back to you....'otherwise'. Many thanks on that and 'Happy New Year'/'S'

[simple simon]

Greetings Sweeps and everyone, hopefully 'happy' New Year too.

RE: the BDI, maybe things just slowed down for Xmas?

Or could it be that with letters of credit hard to obtain so long term predictions I read ages ago (and which you echo at the start of this thread) really are coming into fruition? These predictions suggest that the transport of food around the globe will falter, so that areas where various foodstuffs (fruits, veg, etc) are grown will have massive surpluses, whilst the areas where the foods are normally eaten will go hungry.

A few days ago I saw it said that one of the areas with food shortages will be the PNW in the USA, whilst elsewhere in the USA there will be food, with much of it being left to rot for want of people to store it / ship it elsewhere. Oh, and these areas will have energy / fuel shortages, so that the food cannot even be deep frozen for a later time

What happens here in Britain... I dare not say aloud.

Simon

ps: am linking this thread to quite a few people I know who think I'm a crazed doomster , so that they can see my source of information.

pps: have you seen the latest from the webbots? Another tsunami this year, plus more... (link opens as an Adobe Acrobat pdf file) http://www.urbansurv...2009summary.pdf

Edited by simple simon, 04 January 2009 - 10:47 AM.

[simple simon]

www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/4229198/Shipping-rates-hit-zero-as-trade-sinks.html

Shipping rates hit zero as trade sinks
Freight rates for containers shipped from Asia to Europe have fallen to zero for the first time since records began, underscoring the dramatic collapse in trade since the world economy buckled in October.

"They have already hit zero," said Charles de Trenck, a broker at Transport Trackers in Hong Kong. "We have seen trade activity fall off a cliff. Asia-Europe is an unmit­igated disaster."

Shipping journal Lloyd's List said brokers in Singapore are now waiving fees for containers travelling from South China, charging only for the minimal "bunker" costs. Container fees from North Asia have dropped $200, taking them below operating cost.

Industry sources said they have never seen rates fall so low. "This is a whole new ball game," said one trader.

The Baltic Dry Index (BDI) which measures freight rates for bulk commodities such as iron ore and grains crashed several months ago, falling 96pc. The BDI – though a useful early-warning index – is highly volatile and exaggerates apparent ups and downs in trade. However, the latest phase of the shipping crisis is different. It has spread to core trade of finished industrial goods, the lifeblood of the world economy.

Trade data from Asia's export tigers has been disastrous over recent weeks, reflecting the collapse in US, UK and European markets.

Korea's exports fell 30pc in January compared to a year earlier. Exports have slumped 42pc in Taiwan and 27pc in Japan, according to the most recent monthly data. Even China has now started to see an outright contraction in shipments, led by steel, electronics and textiles.

A report by ING yesterday said shipping activity at US ports has suddenly dived. Outbound traffic from Long Beach and Los Angeles, America's two top ports, has fallen by 18pc year-on-year, a far more serious decline than anything seen in recent recessions.

"This is no regular cycle slowdown, but a complete collapse in foreign demand," said Lindsay Coburn, ING's trade consultant.

Idle ships are now stretched in rows outside Singapore's harbour, creating an eerie silhouette like a vast naval fleet at anchor. Shipping experts note the number of vessels moving around seem unusually high in the water, indicating low cargoes.

It became difficult for the shippers to obtain routine letters of credit at the height of financial crisis over the autumn, causing goods to pile up at ports even though there was a willing buyer at the other end. Analysts say this problem has been resolved, but the shipping industry has since been swamped by the global trade contraction.

The World Bank caused shockwaves with a warning last month that global trade may decline this year for the first time since the Second World War. This appears increasingly certain with each new batch of data.

Mr de Trenck predicts Asian trade to the US will fall 7pc this year. To Europe he estimates a drop of 9pc – possibly 12pc. Trade flows grow 8pc in an average year.

He said it was "illogical" for shippers to offer zero rates, but they do whatever they can to survive in a highly cyclical market.

Offering slots for free is akin to an airline giving away spare seats for nothing in the hope of making something from meals and fees.

[skylark]

simple simon, on Jan 19 2009, 10:48 PM, said:

www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/4229198/Shipping-rates-hit-zero-as-trade-sinks.html

Shipping rates hit zero as trade sinks
Freight rates for containers shipped from Asia to Europe have fallen to zero for the first time since records began, underscoring the dramatic collapse in trade since the world economy buckled in October.

"They have already hit zero," said Charles de Trenck, a broker at Transport Trackers in Hong Kong. "We have seen trade activity fall off a cliff. Asia-Europe is an unmit­igated disaster."

Shipping journal Lloyd's List said brokers in Singapore are now waiving fees for containers travelling from South China, charging only for the minimal "bunker" costs. Container fees from North Asia have dropped $200, taking them below operating cost.

Industry sources said they have never seen rates fall so low. "This is a whole new ball game," said one trader.

The Baltic Dry Index (BDI) which measures freight rates for bulk commodities such as iron ore and grains crashed several months ago, falling 96pc. The BDI – though a useful early-warning index – is highly volatile and exaggerates apparent ups and downs in trade. However, the latest phase of the shipping crisis is different. It has spread to core trade of finished industrial goods, the lifeblood of the world economy.

Trade data from Asia's export tigers has been disastrous over recent weeks, reflecting the collapse in US, UK and European markets.

Korea's exports fell 30pc in January compared to a year earlier. Exports have slumped 42pc in Taiwan and 27pc in Japan, according to the most recent monthly data. Even China has now started to see an outright contraction in shipments, led by steel, electronics and textiles.

A report by ING yesterday said shipping activity at US ports has suddenly dived. Outbound traffic from Long Beach and Los Angeles, America's two top ports, has fallen by 18pc year-on-year, a far more serious decline than anything seen in recent recessions.

"This is no regular cycle slowdown, but a complete collapse in foreign demand," said Lindsay Coburn, ING's trade consultant.

Idle ships are now stretched in rows outside Singapore's harbour, creating an eerie silhouette like a vast naval fleet at anchor. Shipping experts note the number of vessels moving around seem unusually high in the water, indicating low cargoes.

It became difficult for the shippers to obtain routine letters of credit at the height of financial crisis over the autumn, causing goods to pile up at ports even though there was a willing buyer at the other end. Analysts say this problem has been resolved, but the shipping industry has since been swamped by the global trade contraction.

The World Bank caused shockwaves with a warning last month that global trade may decline this year for the first time since the Second World War. This appears increasingly certain with each new batch of data.

Mr de Trenck predicts Asian trade to the US will fall 7pc this year. To Europe he estimates a drop of 9pc – possibly 12pc. Trade flows grow 8pc in an average year.

He said it was "illogical" for shippers to offer zero rates, but they do whatever they can to survive in a highly cyclical market.

Offering slots for free is akin to an airline giving away spare seats for nothing in the hope of making something from meals and fees.

*ZERO Simon,
...Yep, noted that alright. Thanks for the update. Things getting pretty MERKY globally.Most people have 'No Clue' about the BDIndex! They mostly look to the 'Stock Markets'...which are 'Managed/staged/worked' by nefarious 'Market Makers. In other words...Fixed/'S'

[skylark]

skylark, on Dec 23 2008, 02:23 PM, said:

Warning- -BUST IN 2009-We show you why

-Economic worldwide disaster –

*'Sweeps' NOTE:
…The Baltic Dry Index…BDI, is an indicator of how many products are actually
out for delivery throughout the world. It cannot be cheated or manipulated
because it deals with actual products that are either actively being shipped
or are on docks awaiting to be shipped as Freight On Board…FOB.

Most Folks don't even know about this 'INDEX'. It is an 'ABSOLUTE' indicator.

We expect this 'Whole Thing' to 'come down' in March of 2009. 'We' have been urging you to stock up on…dry foods like 50 lb bags of rice, 50 lb bags of oatmeal, powdered milk, canned foods, canned vegetables and such to assure your family will have enough to eat when the world economy totally collapses.
Read below…and PREPARE YOURSELVES. Pass this on folks-Thanks/'S'

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OK…back in June, 2008, the BDI stood at a reasonably healthy 11,600.
As of today…the BDI has plummeted to 791. That would be about a 94% drop
in goods actually being shipped worldwide.

This portends unprecedented disaster around the world, especially as it
relates to food. Products are simply not being shipped. They aren't being
shipped because there aren't any orders for them.

This 'Predicted' scenario…is irrefutable. The BDI proves that goods are not being shipped. There has been a 94% reduction in shipped goods since June of this year and it is only going to get worse.

If you do not have food stored up for your family…quite Simply…you will starve to death. If you do not own guns and ammunition…any food you DO have will be stolen by roving bands of savages who are trying not to starve to death.

Living in 'CITIES'….'Not Cool', but we've been saying that for years folks. 'Bad Vibes Man'.

...There will be attempts to take away your firearms and ammo of course...RESIST/FIGHT

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The social breakdown that is coming...is/will be…unparalleled in modern history. We are going to suffer on an order of magnitude greater than folks suffered
during the Great Depression.

Please, 'We' urge you, prepare. There are only a few precious months left before it all goes to hell.

**There SHOULD BE a gradual lessening of 'The Crisis' for some after 2010, But…no one should imagine that the improvement at the end of 2010 will
correspond to a return of high growth.

OK…in some regions of the world the 'Recovery' may start at the end of 2010…like Asia and parts of the Eurozone, as well as in countries producing energy, mineral and food commodities. BUT… elsewhere it will continue…in particular in the U.S. and the U.K…and in all the countries depending on their bankrupt economies. Here… duration could approximate a decade. In fact these countries should not expect any real return to growth before 2018.

YEP…the recovery will be long. For Instance…stock markets will take a decade to return to levels comparable to 2007, if they ever return to that.

** Finally…the risk to be EXPECTED…is of the sudden collapse of all capital-based pension systems…as part of the consequences of the crisis…for dozens of millions of people in the US, Canada, UK, Japan, Netherlands and Denmark in particular.

There is the fact that…from the end of the year 2008 onward…
news about major losses on the part of the organizations in charge of
managing the financial assets supposed to finance pensions will multiply.

*'Sweeps' NOTE:
...updated THIS with a VIDEO/cOMMENTARY which is a great 'Summation'/Prediction' of what IS going to happen with all this. Put it in the Main/Topic/Theme Page. HEED THIS Please...Thanks/'S'

[simple simon]

Thanks Sweeps, message noted.

I was out today and bought some Brussel Sprouts. I was somewhat surprised to see that they were actually grown here in in Britain. So hopefully these will still be available. That said, who actually *likes* these things?

On another list there is a thread about an Argentinian Survivalist and what happened when their economy more or less collapsed a few years ago, and the government raided everyone's bank savings.

It makes for sombre reading.

Someone added to that thread a list of almost 100 things which will disappear fast. Maybe they meant when the economy has reached the stage whereby the masses realise that it really could be about to fail, and not for when international shipping fails, nevertheless it still might be of interest.

Simon

100 Items to Disappear First

1. Generators (Good ones cost dearly. Gas storage, risky. Noisy...target of thieves; maintenance etc.)
2. Water Filters/Purifiers
3. Portable Toilets
4. Seasoned Firewood. Wood takes about 6 - 12 months to become dried, for home uses.
5. Lamp Oil, Wicks, Lamps (First Choice: Buy CLEAR oil. If scarce, stockpile ANY!)
6. Coleman Fuel. Impossible to stockpile too much.
7. Guns, Ammunition, Pepper Spray, Knives, Clubs, Bats & Slingshots.
8. Hand-can openers, & hand egg beaters, whisks.
9. Honey/Syrups/white, brown sugar
10. Rice - Beans - Wheat
11. Vegetable Oil (for cooking) Without it food burns/must be boiled etc.,)
12. Charcoal, Lighter Fluid (Will become scarce suddenly)
13. Water Containers (Urgent Item to obtain.) Any size. Small: HARD CLEAR PLASTIC ONLY - note - food grade if for drinking.
14. Mini Heater head (Propane) (Without this item, propane won't heat a room.)
15. Grain Grinder (Non-electric)
16. Propane Cylinders (Urgent: Definite shortages will occur.
17. Survival Guide Book.
18. Mantles: Aladdin, Coleman, etc. (Without this item, longer-term lighting is difficult.)
19. Baby Supplies: Diapers/formula. ointments/aspirin, etc.
20. Washboards, Mop Bucket w/wringer (for Laundry)
21. Cookstoves (Propane, Coleman & Kerosene)
22. Vitamins
23. Propane Cylinder Handle-Holder (Urgent: Small canister use is dangerous without this item)
24. Feminine Hygiene/Haircare/Skin products.
25. Thermal underwear (Tops & Bottoms)
26. Bow saws, axes and hatchets, Wedges (also, honing oil)
27. Aluminum Foil Reg. & Heavy Duty (Great Cooking and Barter Item)
28. Gasoline Containers (Plastic & Metal)
29. Garbage Bags (Impossible To Have Too Many).
30. Toilet Paper, Kleenex, Paper Towels
31. Milk - Powdered & Condensed (Shake Liquid every 3 to 4 months)
32. Garden Seeds (Non-Hybrid) (A MUST)
33. Clothes pins/line/hangers (A MUST)
34. Coleman's Pump Repair Kit
35. Tuna Fish (in oil)
36. Fire Extinguishers (or..large box of Baking Soda in every room)
37. First aid kits
38. Batteries (all sizes...buy furthest-out for Expiration Dates)
39. Garlic, spices & vinegar, baking supplies
40. Big Dogs (and plenty of dog food)
41. Flour, yeast & salt
42. Matches. {"Strike Anywhere" preferred.) Boxed, wooden matches will go first
43. Writing paper/pads/pencils, solar calculators
44. Insulated ice chests (good for keeping items from freezing in Wintertime.)
45. Workboots, belts, Levis & durable shirts
46. Flashlights/LIGHTSTICKS & torches, "No. 76 Dietz" Lanterns
47. Journals, Diaries & Scrapbooks (jot down ideas, feelings, experience; Historic Times)
48. Garbage cans Plastic (great for storage, water, transporting - if with wheels)
49. Men's Hygiene: Shampoo, Toothbrush/paste, Mouthwash/floss, nail clippers, etc
50. Cast iron cookware (sturdy, efficient)
51. Fishing supplies/tools
52. Mosquito coils/repellent, sprays/creams
53. Duct Tape
54. Tarps/stakes/twine/nails/rope/spikes
55. Candles
56. Laundry Detergent (liquid)
57. Backpacks, Duffel Bags
58. Garden tools & supplies
59. Scissors, fabrics & sewing supplies
60. Canned Fruits, Veggies, Soups, stews, etc.
61. Bleach (plain, NOT scented: 4 to 6% sodium hypochlorite)
62. Canning supplies, (Jars/lids/wax)
63. Knives & Sharpening tools: files, stones, steel
64. Bicycles...Tires/tubes/pumps/chains, etc
65. Sleeping Bags & blankets/pillows/mats
66. Carbon Monoxide Alarm (battery powered)
67. Board Games, Cards, Dice
68. d-con Rat poison, MOUSE PRUFE II, Roach Killer
69. Mousetraps, Ant traps & cockroach magnets
70. Paper plates/cups/utensils (stock up, folks)
71. Baby wipes, oils, waterless & Antibacterial soap (saves a lot of water)
72. Rain gear, rubberized boots, etc.
73. Shaving supplies (razors & creams, talc, after shave)
74. Hand pumps & siphons (for water and for fuels)
75. Soysauce, vinegar, bullions/gravy/soupbase
76. Reading glasses
77. Chocolate/Cocoa/Tang/Punch (water enhancers)
78. "Survival-in-a-Can"
79. Woolen clothing, scarves/ear-muffs/mittens
80. Boy Scout Handbook, / also Leaders Catalog
81. Roll-on Window Insulation Kit (MANCO)
82. Graham crackers, saltines, pretzels, Trail mix/Jerky
83. Popcorn, Peanut Butter, Nuts
84. Socks, Underwear, T-shirts, etc. (extras)
85. Lumber (all types)
86. Wagons & carts (for transport to and from)
87. Cots & Inflatable mattress's
88. Gloves: Work/warming/gardening, etc.
89. Lantern Hangers
90. Screen Patches, glue, nails, screws,, nuts & bolts
91. Teas
92. Coffee
93. Cigarettes
94. Wine/Liquors (for bribes, medicinal, etc,)
95. Paraffin wax
96. Glue, nails, nuts, bolts, screws, etc.
97. Chewing gum/candies
98. Atomizers (for cooling/bathing)

[skylark]

simple simon, on Feb 18 2009, 04:25 PM, said:

Thanks Sweeps, message noted.

I was out today and bought some Brussel Sprouts. I was somewhat surprised to see that they were actually grown here in in Britain. So hopefully these will still be available. That said, who actually *likes* these things?

On another list there is a thread about an Argentinian Survivalist and what happened when their economy more or less collapsed a few years ago, and the government raided everyone's bank savings.

It makes for sombre reading.

Someone added to that thread a list of almost 100 things which will disappear fast. Maybe they meant when the economy has reached the stage whereby the masses realise that it really could be about to fail, and not for when international shipping fails, nevertheless it still might be of interest.

Simon

100 Items to Disappear First

1. Generators (Good ones cost dearly. Gas storage, risky. Noisy...target of thieves; maintenance etc.)
2. Water Filters/Purifiers
3. Portable Toilets
4. Seasoned Firewood. Wood takes about 6 - 12 months to become dried, for home uses.
5. Lamp Oil, Wicks, Lamps (First Choice: Buy CLEAR oil. If scarce, stockpile ANY!)
6. Coleman Fuel. Impossible to stockpile too much.
7. Guns, Ammunition, Pepper Spray, Knives, Clubs, Bats & Slingshots.
8. Hand-can openers, & hand egg beaters, whisks.
9. Honey/Syrups/white, brown sugar
10. Rice - Beans - Wheat
11. Vegetable Oil (for cooking) Without it food burns/must be boiled etc.,)
12. Charcoal, Lighter Fluid (Will become scarce suddenly)
13. Water Containers (Urgent Item to obtain.) Any size. Small: HARD CLEAR PLASTIC ONLY - note - food grade if for drinking.
14. Mini Heater head (Propane) (Without this item, propane won't heat a room.)
15. Grain Grinder (Non-electric)
16. Propane Cylinders (Urgent: Definite shortages will occur.
17. Survival Guide Book.
18. Mantles: Aladdin, Coleman, etc. (Without this item, longer-term lighting is difficult.)
19. Baby Supplies: Diapers/formula. ointments/aspirin, etc.
20. Washboards, Mop Bucket w/wringer (for Laundry)
21. Cookstoves (Propane, Coleman & Kerosene)
22. Vitamins
23. Propane Cylinder Handle-Holder (Urgent: Small canister use is dangerous without this item)
24. Feminine Hygiene/Haircare/Skin products.
25. Thermal underwear (Tops & Bottoms)
26. Bow saws, axes and hatchets, Wedges (also, honing oil)
27. Aluminum Foil Reg. & Heavy Duty (Great Cooking and Barter Item)
28. Gasoline Containers (Plastic & Metal)
29. Garbage Bags (Impossible To Have Too Many).
30. Toilet Paper, Kleenex, Paper Towels
31. Milk - Powdered & Condensed (Shake Liquid every 3 to 4 months)
32. Garden Seeds (Non-Hybrid) (A MUST)
33. Clothes pins/line/hangers (A MUST)
34. Coleman's Pump Repair Kit
35. Tuna Fish (in oil)
36. Fire Extinguishers (or..large box of Baking Soda in every room)
37. First aid kits
38. Batteries (all sizes...buy furthest-out for Expiration Dates)
39. Garlic, spices & vinegar, baking supplies
40. Big Dogs (and plenty of dog food)
41. Flour, yeast & salt
42. Matches. {"Strike Anywhere" preferred.) Boxed, wooden matches will go first
43. Writing paper/pads/pencils, solar calculators
44. Insulated ice chests (good for keeping items from freezing in Wintertime.)
45. Workboots, belts, Levis & durable shirts
46. Flashlights/LIGHTSTICKS & torches, "No. 76 Dietz" Lanterns
47. Journals, Diaries & Scrapbooks (jot down ideas, feelings, experience; Historic Times)
48. Garbage cans Plastic (great for storage, water, transporting - if with wheels)
49. Men's Hygiene: Shampoo, Toothbrush/paste, Mouthwash/floss, nail clippers, etc
50. Cast iron cookware (sturdy, efficient)
51. Fishing supplies/tools
52. Mosquito coils/repellent, sprays/creams
53. Duct Tape
54. Tarps/stakes/twine/nails/rope/spikes
55. Candles
56. Laundry Detergent (liquid)
57. Backpacks, Duffel Bags
58. Garden tools & supplies
59. Scissors, fabrics & sewing supplies
60. Canned Fruits, Veggies, Soups, stews, etc.
61. Bleach (plain, NOT scented: 4 to 6% sodium hypochlorite)
62. Canning supplies, (Jars/lids/wax)
63. Knives & Sharpening tools: files, stones, steel
64. Bicycles...Tires/tubes/pumps/chains, etc
65. Sleeping Bags & blankets/pillows/mats
66. Carbon Monoxide Alarm (battery powered)
67. Board Games, Cards, Dice
68. d-con Rat poison, MOUSE PRUFE II, Roach Killer
69. Mousetraps, Ant traps & cockroach magnets
70. Paper plates/cups/utensils (stock up, folks)
71. Baby wipes, oils, waterless & Antibacterial soap (saves a lot of water)
72. Rain gear, rubberized boots, etc.
73. Shaving supplies (razors & creams, talc, after shave)
74. Hand pumps & siphons (for water and for fuels)
75. Soysauce, vinegar, bullions/gravy/soupbase
76. Reading glasses
77. Chocolate/Cocoa/Tang/Punch (water enhancers)
78. "Survival-in-a-Can"
79. Woolen clothing, scarves/ear-muffs/mittens
80. Boy Scout Handbook, / also Leaders Catalog
81. Roll-on Window Insulation Kit (MANCO)
82. Graham crackers, saltines, pretzels, Trail mix/Jerky
83. Popcorn, Peanut Butter, Nuts
84. Socks, Underwear, T-shirts, etc. (extras)
85. Lumber (all types)
86. Wagons & carts (for transport to and from)
87. Cots & Inflatable mattress's
88. Gloves: Work/warming/gardening, etc.
89. Lantern Hangers
90. Screen Patches, glue, nails, screws,, nuts & bolts
91. Teas
92. Coffee
93. Cigarettes
94. Wine/Liquors (for bribes, medicinal, etc,)
95. Paraffin wax
96. Glue, nails, nuts, bolts, screws, etc.
97. Chewing gum/candies
98. Atomizers (for cooling/bathing)

*Right Simon and ALL,
...Good to keep those list items in mind alright. People ARE coming out on the 'NET' with their own lists...that says something about our times now.
I've prepared 'our' lists and stocking up...with family and friends helping & ernestly co-operating all the way. Suggest maybe folks here at the 'Forum' compare notes and offer their own opinions/comments/et al. Thanks for that/'S'

[simple simon]

skylark, on Feb 20 2009, 04:03 PM, said:

*Right Simon and ALL,
...Good to keep those list items in mind alright. People ARE coming out on the 'NET' with their own lists...that says something about our times now.
I've prepared 'our' lists and stocking up...with family and friends helping & ernestly co-operating all the way. Suggest maybe folks here at the 'Forum' compare notes and offer their own opinions/comments/et al. Thanks for that/'S'
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Hi Sweeps,

Earlier today I was reading about the BDI and other matters on the transcript of a recent Project Camelot interview with Bill Deagle. In some ways it was very 'doom and gloomy', but then so is this thread about the BDI.

Bill also talks about a possible 'Bank Holiday' when the Amero is introduced and that for a few days during the process no plastic card transactions will be possible. He suggested that the spring / summer could be when this happens - I feel sure I heard on the radio yesterday that in April there will be a G20 meeting here in London, which if Bill's info has any substance could be when decisions are made.

What also makes me go 'hmm' is the way our beloved leader is racking up monstrous debts for us taxpayers to repay... could he be planning to the punish the banks by defaulting on these debts??? This may be a crazy idea - but many people would suggest its no more crazy than the level of debts being racked up.

As you know I am on the dole, so could only afford to store many months of supplies if I was to pay by credit card. Maybe though I really out to be doing just this?

Simon

Edited by simple simon, 20 February 2009 - 04:54 PM.

[captain]

simple simon, on Feb 20 2009, 04:46 PM, said:

Hi Sweeps,

Earlier today I was reading about the BDI and other matters on the transcript of a recent Project Camelot interview with Bill Deagle. In some ways it was very 'doom and gloomy', but then so is this thread about the BDI.

Bill also talks about a possible 'Bank Holiday' when the Amero is introduced and that for a few days during the process no plastic card transactions will be possible. He suggested that the spring / summer could be when this happens - I feel sure I heard on the radio yesterday that in April there will be a G20 meeting here in London, which if Bill's info has any substance could be when decisions are made.

What also makes me go 'hmm' is the way our beloved leader is racking up monstrous debts for us taxpayers to repay... could he be planning to the punish the banks by defaulting on these debts??? This may be a crazy idea - but many people would suggest its no more crazy than the level of debts being racked up.

As you know I am on the dole, so could only afford to store many months of supplies if I was to pay by credit card. Maybe though I really out to be doing just this?

Simon

*Simon,
-In 'this case' couldn't agree more, it's a likely way/scenerio way of doing away with 'Dollar Debts' altogether and then replacing it with the 'AMERO'. And, 'OBAMA' has waivered on his Campaign opposition to NAFTA-'North American Free Trade Zone' too. Bad news everywhere-Captain

[skylark]

captain, on Feb 20 2009, 08:28 PM, said:

*Simon,
-In 'this case' couldn't agree more, it's a likely way/scenerio way of doing away with 'Dollar Debts' altogether and then replacing it with the 'AMERO'. And, 'OBAMA' has waivered on his Campaign opposition to NAFTA-'North American Free Trade Zone' too. Bad news everywhere-Captain

*'Sweeps' NOTE:
…Hmmm 'Simon' & 'Captain', there is an alternative WAVE of support in the making. It's better/more 'Constitutional' than permitting NAFTA and the 'Amero'. Ready for this? Take a 'Hopeful' look…if this can be done/implemented. Time to unload 'all the baggage' and embrace the Constitution./'S'

This is the only way to go---new debt-free dollars, cancel all existing debt
worldwide from top to bottom and begin anew. That means no more Federal
Reserve or income taxes.

Congressman Calls for Debt-Free Dollars
BY CHRIS PETHERICK

An Ohio congressman has called on the federal government to take back the
power to issue money from the Federal Reserve, the private central bank that
along with Wall Street, is to blame for plunging the world into an economic
crisis not seen since the Great Depression of the 1920s and 1930s.
“The Federal Reserve [is] no more federal than Federal Express,” said Rep.
Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) on the floor of the House of Representatives on Jan
26. “It’s a collection of private bankers that was established in 1913 by
the Federal Reserve Act.”

GOVERNMENT SHOULD ISSUE DEBT-FREE MONEY…SAYS DENNIS KUCINICH

Kucinich called on the federal government to institute monetary reform beginning by issuing debt-free money—dollars that
have not been loaned into circulation at interest by banks.

"We can take a new direction, and that new direction must include monetary reform," said Kucinich.

Kucinich quoted monetary theorist Stephen Zarlenga, the author of The Lost Science of Money, saying, "the bulk of our money is
not created by our government, but by banks when they make private loans."

Kucinich quoted the Constitution as authorizing the government to be the sovereign power to issue money.

"Because of this monetary crisis," he said, "we have an opportunity here. Instead of giving private bankers more power, we need to
incorporate the Federal Reserve into the Treasury where all new money could be created as government money, not as interest-bearing debt."

He also said the government needs to halt the banks' privilege of creating money out of thin air by ending the fractional reserve system.

"Past monetized private credit would be converted into government
money," he said.

"Banks would continue to do what people think they do now under this newapproach," he said. They would only act as intermediaries
by accepting savings deposits and loaning that money or their own cash out to borrowers.

"And what would the government do?" he asked. "Well, we wouldn't have to borrow money and continue to owe money to the banks
to finance the needs of this country."

The proposal came during an hour-long speech by Kucinich, who offered fierce criticism of the banking industry in general, saying that bankers shamelessly exploited legislation, which was supposed to help Americans avoid bankruptcy, in order to get free money from taxpayers.

"It turned out to be a windfall for banks," said Kucinich. "But hold onto your hat, Mr. And Mrs. America, because the banks are not done. They're going to be looking for even more money, [and] they're using this opportunity to game the system."

Kucinich also had choice words for speculators. "We've seen speculation driving this economy. An economy built on gambling,
and not real production, is not sustainable. Moving to a financial sector as a source of profits is an unsustainable Ponzi scheme," he said.

"Remember that this time in our national experience is all about taking wealth from the great mass of the American people—from
your paychecks, wallets and pocketbooks—and just moving it right to the top," he said.

"We're in a world of debt, creating more and more debt in a debt-based economy," said Kucinich. "And the pros, who put us in this
mess, refuse to admit that debt is the problem that put us here."

The current situation is…unique, Kucinich said, because never before in American history have we seen

so much debt. "The growth of our public and private debt from $10.5 trillion to $43 trillion during Alan Greenspan's tenure from 1987 to 2006 gives us some sense of the real magnitude of the problem'.

The Federal Reserve knew this financial meltdown was on its way. "Yet we saw Greenspan pretend he didn't have a clue," he said.
"The Fed didn't do its job."

"Under those circumstances," Kucinich asked, "would Americans want the Fed to have more power?'

"Someone has to stand up for the American taxpayers, and say, 'Stop it, We have to get control of this Federal Reserve." he said.

[simple simon]

Hi all,

Sweeps, this makes me think of 'NESARA'.

Whilst Nesara was a fine - sounding idea it has resulted in much controversy, and I know of one yahoo group where things became so polarised that fed up with the bickering, personal attacks and holier than thou attitudes of the so called 'lightworkers' who refused to hear anything about Nesara which disagreed with their own pre-conceived supportive notions that the group owner ended up closing the group.


In many ways these bullying 'lightworkers' exhibited the same type of blinkered zealotry as the idiotic religious 'believers' who think that doing the Lord's Work includes killing people of different faiths. I am sure you can imagine the ones who I am thinking of - the fact that all sides pay respect to the same 'Divinity' never seems to worry any of them!

At one time I really believed in Nesara. But then I saw how it was always 'about to be announced' but 'something' happened to delay it... and my suspicions were aroused. Now I have to wonder if it is just a tactic of 'dark' beings to keep people forever waiting on a string for an event which is totally false - instead of getting on with their lives. Much of the info about Nesara was chanelled - and as we know, despite what they say no-one listening to the messages ever really knows who is at the other end supplying the info, nor the true aims & ambitions of those supplying the info...

---------------

On the other hand, if this event is really going to happen, then maybe I should rush out and max-out my credit cards buying survival gear - after all, I wont need to pay it back, eh?

Simon

Edited by simple simon, 01 March 2009 - 08:55 PM.

[simple simon]

simple simon, on Dec 28 2008, 09:27 PM, said:

Its the wrong time of the year to have a day out at the seaside - and the Euro exchange makes a day out in a European city (such as Dublin) far too expensive.... (anyway, cant plan ahead, in case I find myself being offered a job starting that day - in the computer industry many contract jobs are only offered the day before a person is expected to start!)

Simon

As its now July I've now had the day out at the seaside (I have friends who have a holiday flat there so I went to visit them) and am about to have a day out in Swizterland - fortunately I already have enough Swiss Francs in cash, as the exchange rate is a nightmare.

Depite what I said back in December I might yet have a day in Dublin, as the economic situation is such that I probably should enjoy things while I still can.

Simon

Edited by simple simon, 26 July 2009 - 10:22 PM.

[skylark]

simple simon, on Feb 22 2009, 09:22 PM, said:

Hi all,

Sweeps, this makes me think of 'NESARA'.

Whilst Nesara was a fine - sounding idea it has resulted in much controversy, and I know of one yahoo group where things became so polarised that fed up with the bickering, personal attacks and holier than thou attitudes of the so called 'lightworkers' who refused to hear anything about Nesara which disagreed with their own pre-conceived supportive notions that the group owner ended up closing the group.


In many ways these bullying 'lightworkers' exhibited the same type of blinkered zealotry as the idiotic religious 'believers' who think that doing the Lord's Work includes killing people of different faiths. I am sure you can imagine the ones who I am thinking of - the fact that all sides pay respect to the same 'Divinity' never seems to worry any of them!

At one time I really believed in Nesara. But then I saw how it was always 'about to be announced' but 'something' happened to delay it... and my suspicions were aroused. Now I have to wonder if it is just a tactic of 'dark' beings to keep people forever waiting on a string for an event which is totally false - instead of getting on with their lives. Much of the info about Nesara was chanelled - and as we know, despite what they say no-one listening to the messages ever really knows who is at the other end supplying the info, nor the true aims & ambitions of those supplying the info...

---------------

On the other hand, if this event is really going to happen, then maybe I should rush out and max-out my credit cards buying survival gear - after all, I wont need to pay it back, eh?

Simon

*Hi All,
...Just 'UPDATED' this Topic, with a 'Sweeps' NOTE and VIDEO to help explain it all to you...in the 1st page of the Topic...about what WILL HAPPEN within a predicted date of 3-4 months. This 'CRASH' will be the BIGGY, and will quite possibly be SOOOO Sudden, and lead to World Wide 'DEPRESSION'....after a brief Inflation period. Yep....sad and True, BUT 'we've' been RIGHT about everything that has already happened...and way ahead of time/'S'

[simple simon]

Yes, double dip / the letter W, as in the 1930's.

Right now however the markets *appear* to be doing comparatively well (as you and the people at the link say) but its all a facade.

The crash might come at about the same time that the swine flu situation becomes more serious, and its possible that as a diversionary tactic the media will focus on the forced mass vaccinations & the 'folly' of those resisting the vaccinations.

Simon