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[simple simon]

Hi everyone,

re: the French airliner which just vanished off the coast of Brazil, certainly this is a mystery. Do we know if anyone 'important' in the TPTB was on board? Could there possibly be a connection with the 'disappearances' which have been talked about (eg: from the web-bots) but so far have remained just talk? (and hopefully will remain just that - if only for the sake of the innocents who they are saying would become 'collateral damage').



I've seen speculation that the aircraft flew into the area of a vortex, of some sort (see below). Its an interesting idea, and if true poses questions about the future of air travel... the solutions to which have the potential to upset a LOT of people.

Simon

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Copied from another list, erm, I'm seeking a weblink for this, and even for groups such as this where it is (I assume) accepted that 'we are not alone' and that some sort of contact might be imminent the message title seems to be somewhat dramatic / 'over the top'.




[Received this from a friend - I wish.....except it won't be an invasion - just contact. el]

Breaking news: UFO invasion of earth imminent

Michael Cohen m.cohen@...

In the last few weeks I have been talking incessantly about a UFO vortex exit either in the south of Brazil in Santa Catarina or in the north-east near Fortaleza. Highly credible multiple reports have shown the silvery discs that exit this vortex to cause electrical failure. Tragically a plane has gone down killing over 200 people in one of two areas where I believe this vortex is located and many ufologists are not sure it is a coincidence.

As I write I can confirm that dozens of scientists employed by the governments of the major nations are in Fortaleza tracking down and trying to capture images of these UFOs. In the last few days it can also be confirmed that UFO activity and the arrival of these silver, disc shaped surveillance UFOs has been unprecedented and well beyond any previous levels of activity.

NASA, enjoying the last moments of earth's splendid isolation has gone into overdrive with its cover-up story 'debunking' UFO activity picked up by its satellites. Other news outlets are busy informing us of six spyplanes that are commonly mistaken for UFOs: and although undoubtedly the latter story has much truth to it one must wonder about the timing.

However it appears the horse has bolted and the hour of contact is upon us whether NASA or any government likes it or not.

South-West China as well as Siberia are areas where the vortex is tipped to move to shortly.

A report has just been filed in the US by a commercial pilot a who witnessed a similar type craft flying alongside his plane and the US government is taking this incident very seriously.

Has a race in the nearby Andromeda Galaxy 'discovered' us? Have these 'unmanned' surveillance discs made their way home at some point and reported back on our existence? It is more likely that they have known about us for thousands of years but have now decided we are ready for contact, or perhaps it simply a case of us being more aware of them as our own technology develops. Whatever the case, the floodgate has opened.

Let me predict: Sightings of UFOs by will be unprecedented over the next few weeks. We are at a minute to midnight in terms of ending our isolation. Open, unilateral contact is months, weeks, days or even hours away.

We are about to meet our universal brethren: are you ready?

[skylark]

simple simon, on Jun 6 2009, 05:19 PM, said:

Hi everyone,

re: the French airliner which just vanished off the coast of Brazil, certainly this is a mystery. Do we know if anyone 'important' in the TPTB was on board? Could there possibly be a connection with the 'disappearances' which have been talked about (eg: from the web-bots) but so far have remained just talk? (and hopefully will remain just that - if only for the sake of the innocents who they are saying would become 'collateral damage').



I've seen speculation that the aircraft flew into the area of a vortex, of some sort (see below). Its an interesting idea, and if true poses questions about the future of air travel... the solutions to which have the potential to upset a LOT of people.

Simon

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Copied from another list, erm, I'm seeking a weblink for this, and even for groups such as this where it is (I assume) accepted that 'we are not alone' and that some sort of contact might be imminent the message title seems to be somewhat dramatic / 'over the top'.




[Received this from a friend - I wish.....except it won't be an invasion - just contact. el]

Breaking news: UFO invasion of earth imminent

Michael Cohen m.cohen@...

In the last few weeks I have been talking incessantly about a UFO vortex exit either in the south of Brazil in Santa Catarina or in the north-east near Fortaleza. Highly credible multiple reports have shown the silvery discs that exit this vortex to cause electrical failure. Tragically a plane has gone down killing over 200 people in one of two areas where I believe this vortex is located and many ufologists are not sure it is a coincidence.

As I write I can confirm that dozens of scientists employed by the governments of the major nations are in Fortaleza tracking down and trying to capture images of these UFOs. In the last few days it can also be confirmed that UFO activity and the arrival of these silver, disc shaped surveillance UFOs has been unprecedented and well beyond any previous levels of activity.

NASA, enjoying the last moments of earth's splendid isolation has gone into overdrive with its cover-up story 'debunking' UFO activity picked up by its satellites. Other news outlets are busy informing us of six spyplanes that are commonly mistaken for UFOs: and although undoubtedly the latter story has much truth to it one must wonder about the timing.

However it appears the horse has bolted and the hour of contact is upon us whether NASA or any government likes it or not.

South-West China as well as Siberia are areas where the vortex is tipped to move to shortly.

A report has just been filed in the US by a commercial pilot a who witnessed a similar type craft flying alongside his plane and the US government is taking this incident very seriously.

Has a race in the nearby Andromeda Galaxy 'discovered' us? Have these 'unmanned' surveillance discs made their way home at some point and reported back on our existence? It is more likely that they have known about us for thousands of years but have now decided we are ready for contact, or perhaps it simply a case of us being more aware of them as our own technology develops. Whatever the case, the floodgate has opened.

Let me predict: Sightings of UFOs by will be unprecedented over the next few weeks. We are at a minute to midnight in terms of ending our isolation. Open, unilateral contact is months, weeks, days or even hours away.

We are about to meet our universal brethren: are you ready?

*Howdy Simon/All,
…2 Male bodies have been 'recovered' from the Ocean, about 400 miles off the coast of Brazil. 'They' say that they are bodies from the 'downed plane'. Below is a report from the 'Telegraph' Newspaper about the plane's sending out many system failure alerts before 'going down'. Now, are the 'found bodies' PLANTS…or could they be actual bodies of passengers? Will family/friends be able to identify the bodies? All remains to be seen huh? As you read below, you will also note that no 'Exceptional' atmospheric disturbances were in the 'Flight Path'…which differs from other reports. So, if there was 'A Vortex'...as intrigue/conspiracies suggest and include UFO's/contact/invasion etc….it would not have been detected from Weather in the area until 'SUDDENLY'. Are 'official sources' lying/covering up?

Too many missing pieces right now to make any judgment Simon.

But…recently, reported on 3 June, 20 UFO's were caught on camera…flying in formation over Britain:

There was a sighting of more than 20 UFOs buzzing over awestruck Britain.

Stunned families watched as the lights in the sky lined up in a flying formation before disappearing upwards into space.

**You can find the PHOTO Below-Actually taken on 31^st May 09:

 Engineer_Paul_Slight__UFO_PHOTO.jpg   30.8K   11 downloads

Does this have anything to do with reported 'Invasion Fleets'? Who knows? Should we keep 'Invasion Minds'/eyes open? Suppose so…but maybe 'tune out' the Loonies/'Sweeps'


'TELEGRAPH' ARTICLE:

Air France plane: doomed French jet sent out 24 system failure alerts before disappearing…

The Air France plane that disappeared out of the sky en route from Brazil to France sent 24 automatic messages signaling system failures…French investigators have revealed

Among them may have been the plane's autopilot, which was disengaged for the final minutes before the plane is believed to have plunged into the sea. But officials said it was not clear whether the autopilot had been switched off by the pilots, or had cut out because it received conflicting airspeed readings.

The mystery over what happened to flight AF447 deepened when French weather experts said there was no evidence the aircraft had encountered "exceptional" atmospheric conditions.

At a press conference at Le Bourget Airport on the outskirts of Paris, Alain Ratier, deputy director general of Météo France, the French weather centre, said there was "nothing to indicate" that flght AF447 had encountered "a storm mass of exceptional intensity".

He was basing this, he said, on the level of infrarouge satellite imaging in the zone where the plane disappeared. He said there was a "powerful cumulo-nimbus" in the zone but this has already started to weaken before the aircraft reached its supposed passage. He insisted there was nothing to suggest weather of a 'exceptional nature' in the zone for the time of year and pointed out that the storm activity was for example much heavier on the African coast at the time.

[skylark]

skylark, on Jun 7 2009, 01:05 AM, said:

*Howdy Simon/All,
…2 Male bodies have been 'recovered' from the Ocean, about 400 miles off the coast of Brazil. 'They' say that they are bodies from the 'downed plane'. Below is a report from the 'Telegraph' Newspaper about the plane's sending out many system failure alerts before 'going down'. Now, are the 'found bodies' PLANTS…or could they be actual bodies of passengers? Will family/friends be able to identify the bodies? All remains to be seen huh? As you read below, you will also note that no 'Exceptional' atmospheric disturbances were in the 'Flight Path'…which differs from other reports. So, if there was 'A Vortex'...as intrigue/conspiracies suggest and include UFO's/contact/invasion etc….it would not have been detected from Weather in the area until 'SUDDENLY'. Are 'official sources' lying/covering up?

Too many missing pieces right now to make any judgment Simon.

But…recently, reported on 3 June, 20 UFO's were caught on camera…flying in formation over Britain:

There was a sighting of more than 20 UFOs buzzing over awestruck Britain.

Stunned families watched as the lights in the sky lined up in a flying formation before disappearing upwards into space.

**You can find the PHOTO Below-Actually taken on 31^st May 09:

Engineer...FO_PHOTO.jpg

Does this have anything to do with reported 'Invasion Fleets'? Who knows? Should we keep 'Invasion Minds'/eyes open? Suppose so…but maybe 'tune out' the Loonies/'Sweeps'


'TELEGRAPH' ARTICLE:

Air France plane: doomed French jet sent out 24 system failure alerts before disappearing…

The Air France plane that disappeared out of the sky en route from Brazil to France sent 24 automatic messages signaling system failures…French investigators have revealed

Among them may have been the plane's autopilot, which was disengaged for the final minutes before the plane is believed to have plunged into the sea. But officials said it was not clear whether the autopilot had been switched off by the pilots, or had cut out because it received conflicting airspeed readings.

The mystery over what happened to flight AF447 deepened when French weather experts said there was no evidence the aircraft had encountered "exceptional" atmospheric conditions.

At a press conference at Le Bourget Airport on the outskirts of Paris, Alain Ratier, deputy director general of Météo France, the French weather centre, said there was "nothing to indicate" that flght AF447 had encountered "a storm mass of exceptional intensity".

He was basing this, he said, on the level of infrarouge satellite imaging in the zone where the plane disappeared. He said there was a "powerful cumulo-nimbus" in the zone but this has already started to weaken before the aircraft reached its supposed passage. He insisted there was nothing to suggest weather of a 'exceptional nature' in the zone for the time of year and pointed out that the storm activity was for example much heavier on the African coast at the time.

*Here you go Simon & All,

8 June 09…Air France Wreckage, 24 Bodies Retrieved From Atlantic Ocean

Brazil’s military recovered wreckage from Air France flight 447 that may indicate what caused the jet to plunge into the Atlantic Ocean last week, as search teams pulled more bodies from the water.

‘Hundreds of pieces of the crashed plane have been retrieved’…Brazilian Air Force Colonel Henry Munhoz told reporters yesterday, while declining to comment on reports the plane’s tail fin was found. Photo of ‘rescue pieces’ below. Enough with the 'Loonies'/’S’

 AIR_FRANCE_PIECES_FOUND.jpg   39.08K   11 downloads

[skylark]

skylark, on Jun 9 2009, 09:49 AM, said:

*Here you go Simon & All,

8 June 09…Air France Wreckage, 24 Bodies Retrieved From Atlantic Ocean

Brazil's military recovered wreckage from Air France flight 447 that may indicate what caused the jet to plunge into the Atlantic Ocean last week, as search teams pulled more bodies from the water.

'Hundreds of pieces of the crashed plane have been retrieved'…Brazilian Air Force Colonel Henry Munhoz told reporters yesterday, while declining to comment on reports the plane's tail fin was found. Photo of 'rescue pieces' below. Enough with the 'Loonies'/'S'

AIR_FRAN...ES_FOUND.jpg

*'Sweeps' NOTE:

Perhaps it was only a matter of time…until someone came up with the
likely reason this flight was taken down, and THIS is the very likely
reason. Now 'The Latest' info…also has it that 2 'Islamic Extremists' were also on board. So, take your pick…as to WHY someone wanted to 'bring this plane down'/'S'

Key figures in global battle against illegal arms trade lost in Air France
crash:
ARGENTINA: Argentine campaigner Pablo Dreyfus and Swiss colleague Ronald
Dreyer battled South American arms and drug trafficking

AMID THE media frenzy and speculation over the disappearance of Air France's
ill-fated Flight 447, the loss of two of the world's most prominent figures
in the war on the illegal arms trade and international drug trafficking has
been virtually overlooked.

Pablo Dreyfus, a 39-year-old Argentine who was travelling with his wife Ana
Carolina Rodrigues aboard the doomed flight from Rio de Janeiro to Paris,
had worked tirelessly with the Brazilian authorities to stem the flow of
arms and ammunition that for years has fuelled the bloody turf wars waged by
drug gangs in Rio's sprawling favelas.

Also travelling with Dreyfus on the doomed flight was his friend and
colleague Ronald Dreyer, a Swiss diplomat and co-ordinator of the Geneva
Declaration on Armed Violence who had worked with UN missions in El Salvador
Mozambique, Azerbaijan, Kosovo and Angola.

Both men were consultants at the Small Arms Survey, an independent think tank
based at Geneva's Graduate Institute of International Studies.

The Survey said on its website that Dryer had helped mobilize the support of more than 100 countries to the cause of disarmament and development.

Buenos Aires-born Dreyfus had been living in Rio since 2002, where he and
his sociologist wife worked with the Brazilian NGO Viva Rio.
'Pablo will be remembered as a gentle and sensitive man with an upbeat sense
of humour', said the Small Arms Survey. "He displayed an intellectual
curiosity and a determined work ethic that excited and enthused all who
worked with him.

According to the International Action Network on Small Arms Control (IANSA),
Dreyfus's work was instrumental in the introduction of landmark small arms
legislation in Brazil in 2003. Under this legislation, an online link was
created between army and police databases listing production, imports and
exports of arms and ammunition in Brazil.

Dreyfus was an advocate of the stringent labeling of ammunition by weapons
firms, arguing that by clearly identifying ammunition not only by its
producer but also its purchaser, the likelihood of weapons being sourced by
criminals from corrupt police or armed forces personnel is greatly reduced.

Though a Brazilian referendum on the right to bear arms was rejected in 2005
Viva Rio says the campaign should be considered a success because half a
million weapons were voluntarily handed in to the authorities. Anti-gun
activists put the referendum defeat down to fears criminals would circumvent
the law and continue to gain access to small arms the usual way - through
Paraguay and other bordering countries.

This was not an irrational fear:
until 2004, when Paraguay bowed to Brazilian pressure, even foreign tourists
were allowed to purchase small arms simply by presenting a photocopy of
their identity card. Dreyfus knew that many of the weapons from the
so-called tri-border area between Brazil, Paraguay and Argentina were
reaching Rio drug gangs.

When unidentified gunmen made off with a stash of hand grenades from an
Argentine military garrison in 2006, Dreyfus deplored what he said was lax
security at military depots across the world. "If a supermarket can keep
control of the amount of peas it has in stock, surely a military
organisation could and should be able to do the same with equal if not
greater efficiency with its weapons," he said. "The key words are logisitics
control, security."

When Rio agents smashed a cell of drug traffickers who had sourced their
weapons from the tri-border area, Dreyfus noted its leaders were prominent
businessmen living in apartments in the plush Rio suburbs of Ipanema and São
Corrado, "not in the favelas".

In a recent report posted on the Brazilian website Comunidade Segura (Safe
Community), Dreyfus noted that the Brazilian arms firm CBC (Companhia
Brasileira de Cartuchos) had become one of the world's biggest ammunition
producers by purchasing Germany's Metallwerk Elisenhutte Nassau (MEN) in
2007, and Sellier & Bellot (S& of the Czech Republic in March. This would
not be particularly noteworthy but for the fact that CBC's exports had
tapered off in recent years due to legislation restricting exports to
Paraguay, arms that often found their way back into Brazil and on to the Rio
drug gangs - the "boomerang effect", as Dreyfus called it. "The commercial
export of weapons and ammunition from Brazil to the bordering countries
stopped in 2001," wrote Dreyfus. "CBC lost commercial markets in Latin
America, but Brazil won in public security."

However, manufacturers from other countries had moved in to fill the void,
and before its purchase by CBC, S&B was already "one of the marks most
currently apprehended" by Brazilian police. Dreyfus said that, in view of
the fact the Czech Republic was bound by the EU Code of Conduct on weapons
exports - which states that EU countries must "evaluate the existence of the
risk that the armament can be diverted to undesirable final destinations",
CBC should "consider the risk that some of these exports end up, via
diversions, feeding violence in Brazil".

Though his focus was on Latin America, Dreyfus also advised the government
of Mozambique and at the time of his death was preparing to do the same for
the government of Angola, where stockpiles of weapons left over from the
civil war continue to pose a security problem.

Dreyfus and Dreyer were on their way to Geneva to present the latest edition of the Small Arms Survey handbook, of which Dreyfus was a joint editor. It was to have been their latest step in their relentless fight against evil.