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Posted 21 August 2009 - 10:38 AM

RIGHT TO TRAVEL-NOW TO BE CONTROLLED

-Government Permission Will Now Be Required to Travel-


*'Sweeps' NOTE..'I do believe this WILL ignite a CIVIL WAR' finally in America':
…This would be only the START of an 'Internal Passport' issuing system, whereby all citizens would be required to carry such a document and show it to authorities on demand, when crossing State lines, maybe County Lines, or even leaving a City or, going to and from any destination. The whole concept of 'limiting/controlling THE RIGHT TO TRAVEL/MOVE FREELY…is tantamount to Permanent 'Marshall Law'. It's not just a movement towards Fascism…it is Fascism. Lock and load folks & keep your arms/ammunition 'at the ready'/'S'

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Starting this year, Americans will have to get government approval to
travel by air. As Privacy Journal revealed last fall, henceforth 'Permission
Now Needed to Travel Within U.S'. Getting a reservation and checking-in for
air travel will soon require Transportation Security Administration
authorization.


That permission is by no means assured: For example, if your name
matches a 'no-fly' list, even mistakenly, you can be denied the right to a
reserve a seat on a flight. If your name is on a "selectee" list, you and
your possessions will be searched more thoroughly before you can board.
What is going on here?

All travelers will need government OK in order to board a flight, or take
a cruise. What the government can allow one day, it can forbid the next.
Protecting air safety is essential, but professional screening at airports
already provides for it. Giving the TSA as an official agency the additional
authority to decide who gets to go where reaches beyond safety into overextended governmental power.


This newly minted 'Secure Flight' rule fundamentally imbalances long-standing citizens' rights both to travel and to be left alone.

If your name appears among hundreds of thousands on 'watchlists', you assert that the government should not require ID to fly, you don't want to reveal your
date of birth for concern about identity theft, or you don't choose to declare your gender, you can stay home.

By combining the requirement for government photo IDs in order to fly with
checking government watchlists including potentially every passenger,
'Secure Flight' puts the federal government into the business of licensing
travel.


All travelers will need government OK in order to board a flight, or
take a cruise. What the government can allow one day, it can forbid the
next. All things considered, isn't this a higher-tech and later-day version of
South African domestic passports or eastern European checkpoints? In
fact, because of the high technological capacity of the U.S. version, aren't
its implications for travel control of plane, train, bus and subway travel
much more far reaching? It's incredible that something like this is
happening relatively unrecognized in America.

While some people consider the requirement to show ID or reveal a birth
date a small trade-off for security, what is at stake here is the right to
travel. That fundamental freedom of movement appears in the Articles of
Confederation in the right to freely enter and leave all the states of the then
small union.


It was so fundamentally a part of American citizenship that the privileges and
immunities clauses of the Constitution included it without explicitly mentioning it again for the more perfect union. With a large and expansive nation now ranging from Hawaii and Alaska to Washington DC, that right to travel nationally, and petition the distant government, is even more fundamental.

Yet some courts maintain that if you can walk, you don't need the right to fly.
People have the right to walk around freely without carrying a national ID…SO
why do they have to show one to travel?

The Supreme Court has yet to rule on the scope of the right to travel but lower
courts have tended to restrict it more narrowly than the Founding Fathers
would approve.

Clearly, the air ID and 'Secure Flight' rules mean you cannot travel any
distance reachable only by air without official permission. Moreover…the
system can easily be extended to Amtrak as a government railroad, which
already requires government ID in order to purchase a ticket. It can further be
extended to urban rapid-transit networks tied to travel cards, and private
inter-city buses requiring IDs to buy tickets or board coaches. These are
the bases for an internal passport system in the U.S.

There are a lot of practical issues here too. The assumption that any
'no-fly' list includes all potential wrong doers is implausible, and first time
criminals would by definition not appear until it's too late. Many people
on these lists are there because their names are similar to those who are
suspect for other reasons. There are perhaps a few hundred people whose
past activities merit keeping them off the streets, let alone flights…the
small group is better caught through search warrants and good police work
before they come to the airport.


To demand that 750 million annual passengers have to get government permissions to fly creates a needle in-a-haystack approach to locating a few
potential wrongdoers…none so far have been caught by the matching.
'Secure Flight' is simply an ineffective use of scarce resources that sweeps much too broadly over people's most basic rights to travel and be let alone.

What can you do? Like other regulations quickly promulgated at the end of
an outgoing administration, these rules need to be delayed…& reconstituted.
Contact your Senators, Representatives and the White House to suspend such
ill-considered regulations now. Insist that the government create a system
that makes flying safe without granting federal officials the final say over
permission for citizens to travel. Otherwise, the traveling public may be detoured
onto a perilous downhill road to being permanently grounded.


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Posted 21 August 2009 - 10:47 PM

View Postskylark, on Aug 21 2009, 11:38 AM, said:

RIGHT TO TRAVEL-NOW TO BE CONTROLLED

-Government Permission Will Now Be Required to Travel-


*'Sweeps' NOTE..'I do believe this WILL ignite a CIVIL WAR' finally in America':
…This would be only the START of an 'Internal Passport' issuing system, whereby all citizens would be required to carry such a document and show it to authorities on demand, when crossing State lines, maybe County Lines, or even leaving a City or, going to and from any destination. The whole concept of 'limiting/controlling THE RIGHT TO TRAVEL/MOVE FREELY…is tantamount to Permanent 'Marshall Law'. It's not just a movement towards Fascism…it is Fascism. Lock and load folks & keep your arms/ammunition 'at the ready'/'S'

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Starting this year, Americans will have to get government approval to
travel by air. As Privacy Journal revealed last fall, henceforth 'Permission
Now Needed to Travel Within U.S'. Getting a reservation and checking-in for
air travel will soon require Transportation Security Administration
authorization.


That permission is by no means assured: For example, if your name
matches a 'no-fly' list, even mistakenly, you can be denied the right to a
reserve a seat on a flight. If your name is on a "selectee" list, you and
your possessions will be searched more thoroughly before you can board.
What is going on here?

All travelers will need government OK in order to board a flight, or take
a cruise. What the government can allow one day, it can forbid the next.
Protecting air safety is essential, but professional screening at airports
already provides for it. Giving the TSA as an official agency the additional
authority to decide who gets to go where reaches beyond safety into overextended governmental power.


This newly minted 'Secure Flight' rule fundamentally imbalances long-standing citizens' rights both to travel and to be left alone.

If your name appears among hundreds of thousands on 'watchlists', you assert that the government should not require ID to fly, you don't want to reveal your
date of birth for concern about identity theft, or you don't choose to declare your gender, you can stay home.

By combining the requirement for government photo IDs in order to fly with
checking government watchlists including potentially every passenger,
'Secure Flight' puts the federal government into the business of licensing
travel.


All travelers will need government OK in order to board a flight, or
take a cruise. What the government can allow one day, it can forbid the
next. All things considered, isn't this a higher-tech and later-day version of
South African domestic passports or eastern European checkpoints? In
fact, because of the high technological capacity of the U.S. version, aren't
its implications for travel control of plane, train, bus and subway travel
much more far reaching? It's incredible that something like this is
happening relatively unrecognized in America.

While some people consider the requirement to show ID or reveal a birth
date a small trade-off for security, what is at stake here is the right to
travel. That fundamental freedom of movement appears in the Articles of
Confederation in the right to freely enter and leave all the states of the then
small union.


It was so fundamentally a part of American citizenship that the privileges and
immunities clauses of the Constitution included it without explicitly mentioning it again for the more perfect union. With a large and expansive nation now ranging from Hawaii and Alaska to Washington DC, that right to travel nationally, and petition the distant government, is even more fundamental.

Yet some courts maintain that if you can walk, you don't need the right to fly.
People have the right to walk around freely without carrying a national ID…SO
why do they have to show one to travel?

The Supreme Court has yet to rule on the scope of the right to travel but lower
courts have tended to restrict it more narrowly than the Founding Fathers
would approve.

Clearly, the air ID and 'Secure Flight' rules mean you cannot travel any
distance reachable only by air without official permission. Moreover…the
system can easily be extended to Amtrak as a government railroad, which
already requires government ID in order to purchase a ticket. It can further be
extended to urban rapid-transit networks tied to travel cards, and private
inter-city buses requiring IDs to buy tickets or board coaches. These are
the bases for an internal passport system in the U.S.

There are a lot of practical issues here too. The assumption that any
'no-fly' list includes all potential wrong doers is implausible, and first time
criminals would by definition not appear until it's too late. Many people
on these lists are there because their names are similar to those who are
suspect for other reasons. There are perhaps a few hundred people whose
past activities merit keeping them off the streets, let alone flights…the
small group is better caught through search warrants and good police work
before they come to the airport.


To demand that 750 million annual passengers have to get government permissions to fly creates a needle in-a-haystack approach to locating a few
potential wrongdoers…none so far have been caught by the matching.
'Secure Flight' is simply an ineffective use of scarce resources that sweeps much too broadly over people's most basic rights to travel and be let alone.

What can you do? Like other regulations quickly promulgated at the end of
an outgoing administration, these rules need to be delayed…& reconstituted.
Contact your Senators, Representatives and the White House to suspend such
ill-considered regulations now. Insist that the government create a system
that makes flying safe without granting federal officials the final say over
permission for citizens to travel. Otherwise, the traveling public may be detoured
onto a perilous downhill road to being permanently grounded.

-Right you are Sweeps,
_This IS an abomination, and one which will IMPEL various individuals/groups/militias into ACTION. Law Enforcement will NOT be able to deal with the Nation Wide upsurge in Armed 'ATTACKS' on any and every law authority trying to enforce this kind of 'shut down' of Freedom of Movement. There WILL BE blood in the streets-if this goes into effect. Make no mistake, it is incendiary in the highest degree to the entire concept of Civil Liberties. It WILL start with guerilla WARFARE, Ambushes at check points/road blocks, assaults on rail-bus stations/air terminals, and it will escalate. The ordinary citizens will take up the challenge to do whatever they can to assist...and Civil disobedience/unrest, and the WAR will become UNSTOPABLE.
Thanks for bringing this to everyone's attention-Captain :D


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Posted 22 August 2009 - 08:48 PM

View Postcaptain, on Aug 21 2009, 11:47 PM, said:

-Right you are Sweeps,
_This IS an abomination, and one which will IMPEL various individuals/groups/militias into ACTION. Law Enforcement will NOT be able to deal with the Nation Wide upsurge in Armed 'ATTACKS' on any and every law authority trying to enforce this kind of 'shut down' of Freedom of Movement. There WILL BE blood in the streets-if this goes into effect. Make no mistake, it is incendiary in the highest degree to the entire concept of Civil Liberties. It WILL start with guerilla WARFARE, Ambushes at check points/road blocks, assaults on rail-bus stations/air terminals, and it will escalate. The ordinary citizens will take up the challenge to do whatever they can to assist...and Civil disobedience/unrest, and the WAR will become UNSTOPABLE.
Thanks for bringing this to everyone's attention-Captain :D

*Aye Captain and ALL,
...IF these measures are 'on the table'/planned, Americans will be seen 'stocking up'/hoarding of all the essentials in preparation for defiance/insurrection. Be interesting to see what these lauded 'Oath Keepers', those sworn to uphold the ORIGINAL Constitution, will be doing. They will be squarely in the center of these developing /changing times.

How many other Law enforcement groups/the Military will actally have to make it a matter of conscience & an imperitive to resist such orders? 'Save your Confederate Dollars boys'...because it could become a scenerio for a 1st time Military takedown/take over of Government in the States...in order to bring back stabilization, calm the public outrage, and restore the Constitution.

Let's be clear here...this is NO MINOR Constitutional Crisis, it threatens the very foundations of American tolerance of a government of 'CHANGE'...which believes not in re-building America, but re-making it in their own value/image system.

It won't be just an open & widespread conflict by American Patriots against Big Government operations ...but will include cataclysmic infrastructure and business targets. Electrical, water, gas, plants/grids and those businesses 'going along' with new imposed Travel restrictions will be Hit. That's escalation. You will see IED's-improvised explosive devices-in Cities sewage/drainage pipes/& streets.

But more...people will be 'Marking' Liberals/progressives, their friends/families personally. Could be that the 'Detention Camps', FEMA Camps, and other 'Holding Camps will end up being filled with those that built/approved them.

AND...innocent's will be 'caught up' too...by elements which will resemble 'Mob/mind/rule'...which knows NO Bounds,and is unpredictable. There can be no doubt...that such an assualt on the Constitutional Liberties...will make the 'French Revolution' look TAME.

Be watchful AND Furtive...and PLAN for the worst if there is ANY hint of this 'Travel restriction' in the air/'S' ;)


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Posted 22 August 2009 - 11:23 PM

View Postskylark, on Aug 22 2009, 09:48 PM, said:

*Aye Captain and ALL,
...IF these measures are 'on the table'/planned, Americans will be seen 'stocking up'/hoarding of all the essentials in preparation for defiance/insurrection. Be interesting to see what these lauded 'Oath Keepers', those sworn to uphold the ORIGINAL Constitution, will be doing. They will be squarely in the center of these developing /changing times.

How many other Law enforcement groups/the Military will actally have to make it a matter of conscience & an imperitive to resist such orders? 'Save your Confederate Dollars boys'...because it could become a scenerio for a 1st time Military takedown/take over of Government in the States...in order to bring back stabilization, calm the public outrage, and restore the Constitution.

Let's be clear here...this is NO MINOR Constitutional Crisis, it threatens the very foundations of American tolerance of a government of 'CHANGE'...which believes not in re-building America, but re-making it in their own value/image system.

It won't be just an open & widespread conflict by American Patriots against Big Government operations ...but will include cataclysmic infrastructure and business targets. Electrical, water, gas, plants/grids and those businesses 'going along' with new imposed Travel restrictions will be Hit. That's escalation. You will see IED's-improvised explosive devices-in Cities sewage/drainage pipes/& streets.

But more...people will be 'Marking' Liberals/progressives, their friends/families personally. Could be that the 'Detention Camps', FEMA Camps, and other 'Holding Camps will end up being filled with those that built/approved them.

AND...innocent's will be 'caught up' too...by elements which will resemble 'Mob/mind/rule'...which knows NO Bounds,and is unpredictable. There can be no doubt...that such an assualt on the Constitutional Liberties...will make the 'French Revolution' look TAME.

Be watchful AND Furtive...and PLAN for the worst if there is ANY hint of this 'Travel restriction' in the air/'S' ;)

-NO DOUBT Sweeps',
-Check out this Video folks, from 'Restore The Republic'. It has 3 themes. 1-Freedom Of Speech in Washington DC denied to 'Young Americans For Freedom'. 2-FEMA 'Hiring for internment Camps for American Citizens. 3-CHECK POINTS within the U.S.A. where people are Stopped and asked to prove they are citizens. This last Theme bears directly on this TOPIC. All of the Themes though...are examples of what we are facing with the Constitution being flouted by Law Enforcement. So, YES we are heading toward OUTRIGHT 'CIVIL WAR'-Captain :D

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Posted 25 August 2009 - 07:13 AM

Is this only in the USA?

What about Canada? The UK? etc.

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Posted 25 August 2009 - 02:34 PM

View Postsimple simon, on Aug 25 2009, 08:13 AM, said:

Is this only in the USA?

What about Canada? The UK? etc.

Simon

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…Well Simon and All, don't you think 'THEY' are all in cahoots with each other?

It ALSO seems the U.S. of A. is the leader in Crowd Control technology. It won't be long before Canada/Europe is also 'given' these INTENSE new weapons for use by their Police and Military. If there is a plan already in place, below you'll find some of the weaponry which will be deployed. Keep your heads down but get prepared, & KEEP UP with the news/developments in your own Countries/'S'

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The U.S. Department of Justice is to put these pain ray weapons into the hands of police on the streets of America.

Researchers…claim that giving police the ability to instantly torture anyone they want from a distance is a very dangerous thing to do.

All of this comes a couple of months after a report that the U.S. Army will be deploying mobile pain ray trucks…called the Active Denial System…that have the capability to instantly fry the flesh of whole crowds of protesters using microwave technology.

Imagine that. A whole crowd of rioters actually being cooked like they are in a microwave oven. Frightening stuff. TAH/'S'

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Posted 25 August 2009 - 09:08 PM

Thanks, I suspected as much...

You may hear something about this for the coming few days, as a climate change protest group is about to stage a protest /week long 'peace camp' somewhere (or several places) in London and they are refusing to let the police know 'where' it will be in advance - because they claim that 'as usual' the police will react with brutality.

The various authorities are bleating about security risks, terrorism, and all the other things one might expect them to be saying... ... they remind me of vinyl records that are 'stuck in a groove' so are incapble of playing more than a few short words, which they will keep on repeating from now until 'kingdom come'.

It maybe that some of the climate change protestors will have nefarious intentions - I am not saying that they are 'all good' and the various authorities are 'all evil' - as at times I wonder who is behind some of these protests and whether the majority of the people involved (on both sides) are unwittingly being duped to create scenarios which will be used to justify restrictions on freedom, weaponry such as you highlighted, etc.

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Posted 25 August 2009 - 09:47 PM

View Postsimple simon, on Aug 25 2009, 10:08 PM, said:

Thanks, I suspected as much...

You may hear something about this for the coming few days, as a climate change protest group is about to stage a protest /week long 'peace camp' somewhere (or several places) in London and they are refusing to let the police know 'where' it will be in advance - because they claim that 'as usual' the police will react with brutality.

The various authorities are bleating about security risks, terrorism, and all the other things one might expect them to be saying... ... they remind me of vinyl records that are 'stuck in a groove' so are incapble of playing more than a few short words, which they will keep on repeating from now until 'kingdom come'.

It maybe that some of the climate change protestors will have nefarious intentions - I am not saying that they are 'all good' and the various authorities are 'all evil' - as at times I wonder who is behind some of these protests and whether the majority of the people involved (on both sides) are unwittingly being duped to create scenarios which will be used to justify restrictions on freedom, weaponry such as you highlighted, etc.

Simon

*Got that Simon,
...Just 'Cross Our Fingers' on the 'RALLY'...and hope it is for 'The Good Cause'. 1st I've known about this...thanks to you.
Hope THE PEOPLE are getting wise to 'what's up' with all these 'Caught in the groove' Government security rules.
**It's called 'Free Speech'...'THEY' don't get it yet. But have a feeling 'REVOLUTION' is coming from the people shortly. I CAN TELL YOU...in the 'States' people are Fed Up, and READY FOR ACTION. Best to you/'S'