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[simple simon]

Maybe, just maybe there is a connection with the court case by Dr Hororwitz about the swine flu vaccination and a different court case which is also underway about the President of the USA and where he was really born - which could see Obama declared ineligible to be the President!

btw, none of this has to be 'bad' - even though in the short term things may seem to be very much so. We are living in 'interesting times' as per the Chinese 'blessing cum curse' and its at such times of most significant stress that paradigms can change. For the better. We might start hearing some truths about ET's, hidden technologies, our history, who and what we are (as a species) and so much more. Of course that its all happening at once will be shocking / leave people feeling as if they are on overload. But that will pass.

Simon

-------Original Message-------

Subject: Fwd: WEBBOTS RED ALERT!

Dear Ones,
This report was sent me by a friend and there is a wealth of info on the site that can help you prepare for the changes that are taking place in our world. The links they provide are so lengthy that many of you may not have the times to wade through them so I am going to take the liberty to post some of them in smaller emails so you can take advantage of the wisdom they contain.
Love, blessings & peace,
Suzy Star

is what David Wilcock's talking about about to hit the fan. These guys say maybe...I


WEBBOTS RED ALERT!

Posted By: J <Send E-Mail>
Date: Saturday, 3-Oct-2009 15:28:56
FIRST THE REPORT, THEN MY RECOMMENDATIONS:
Urgent Web Bot Update Ref: 10/25
The following in from Clif at www.halfpasthuman.com on Saturday - changes somewhat our expectation for the way things will be working out both in markets and in the defense world over the next month:
"Heads up! Reality Change Ahead!
in running our MOM (model of modelspace) cleanup of the lexicon prior to tuning, it became apparent that October 25 turn in emotions globally will be dominated by a [lock down/implosion] of the [planetary financial/banking system]. The data suggests that such things a [currency trading] and [commodities trading] as well as many other [digital trading forms] will be [suspended]. Some will never resume, or if they do, they will be in entirely different forms. There may be a [banking lock up] in many countries emanating from the USofA outward. There may be [inter bank lock downs] in which [central banks] and [wealth storage clearing houses] will not be able to function. There are data sets suggesting that the rapid shift into building tension language on the 25th originates from and is propelled by the [financial system implosion] that then morphs over into [dollar rejected by all] a mere 10/ten days (more or less) later. There may be shut downs of all kinds of banking activity within the USofA and the rest of the anglosphere.
The [sudden/urgent travel] of the [administration (obama et al) minions] in early November, under this MOM background load shows up as being about [desperately trying] to get the rest of the [planet] to [loan] the actual [resources/wealth] to [restart] the [USofA banking system].
This MOM data set can be wrong in a way that the larger modelspace can not. The MOM set is so small that if it is wrong it is usually widely so. However, the data sets here are so focused, and bring in such crisp emotional shifts relative to the same days (10-25-2009), that it made sense to prepare this note.
If correct, this is the beginning of "The Big One" relative to the dollar and the central banking system. Everything else in the modern world depends on this structure...so it will be a big one throughout all of the social infrastructure.
If MOM is correct, then the [dollar death] will be way more dramatic and waaaay shorter than i had first thought. MOM is showing very dramatic language shifts (albeit against a much smaller background) for not only October 25, but also in a very sharp crocodile tooth pattern from November 4 through December 10th indicating a very very emotionally choppy time.
So, heads up! Reality shift (time/event bump) just ahead. If MOM is correct, there will be some additional levels of [visibility] on October 10th through the 15th that will put a focus on the 'trigger' that will show on October 25th and beyond.
Masa Katsu! Pie up now, panic later.
clif and cathy and igor.

http://urbansurvival.com/week.htm

If they're wrong, at least you've upped your preparedness...
...I'm betting they're not.
If you are in the stock market-get out. If you are a risk taker that can act fast then short the stock market then get your winnings out really fast-before the 25th-and buy physical silver, gold, heirloom seeds, ammunition: essentials.
Get your money out of the bank. Just do it. Convert that cash into essentials.
IF you have credit cards-essentials. Repudiate the debt later and screw the banksters back.
If you have a survival circle(I do)then be ready with an evac plan or whatever plan you got. Doesn't mean that things go to hell immediately but if the webbots are accurate enough the dollar's about to get burnt to a crisp. The debt based economy will seize up.
This means goods will rapidly run out! Have food, fuel-essentials.
In a few weeks after the 25th(if the webbots are right)America will start looking like Mad Max. In a couple months it will look like Dawn of the Dead-but with starving Americans instead of undead Americans.
I'd prepare anyway. Right now, consider this an exercise opportunity.

http://freedomguide.wordpress.com



Fortunately, the enemy's engineered economic collapse is also offering a golden opportunity-to see how things really are, to break free of the beast and its debt slavery the electronic narcotic, the preoccupation with baubles and passive entertainments. Seeing how much danger they're in, Americans have been arming up at a rate unparalleled in American history, the greatest arms race in history is happening now between the American People and the United States Government.

Edited by captain, 05 October 2009 - 03:58 AM.

[skylark]

simple simon, on Oct 4 2009, 05:22 PM, said:

Maybe, just maybe there is a connection with the court case by Dr Hororwitz about the swine flu vaccination and a different court case which is also underway about the President of the USA and where he was really born - which could see Obama declared ineligible to be the President!

btw, none of this has to be 'bad' - even though in the short term things may seem to be very much so. We are living in 'interesting times' as per the Chinese 'blessing cum curse' and its at such times of most significant stress that paradigms can change. For the better. We might start hearing some truths about ET's, hidden technologies, our history, who and what we are (as a species) and so much more. Of course that its all happening at once will be shocking / leave people feeling as if they are on overload. But that will pass.

Simon

-------Original Message-------

Subject: Fwd: WEBBOTS RED ALERT!

Dear Ones,
This report was sent me by a friend and there is a wealth of info on the site that can help you prepare for the changes that are taking place in our world. The links they provide are so lengthy that many of you may not have the times to wade through them so I am going to take the liberty to post some of them in smaller emails so you can take advantage of the wisdom they contain.
Love, blessings & peace,
Suzy Star

is what David Wilcock's talking about about to hit the fan. These guys say maybe...I


WEBBOTS RED ALERT!

Posted By: J <Send E-Mail>
Date: Saturday, 3-Oct-2009 15:28:56
FIRST THE REPORT, THEN MY RECOMMENDATIONS:
Urgent Web Bot Update Ref: 10/25
The following in from Clif at www.halfpasthuman.com on Saturday - changes somewhat our expectation for the way things will be working out both in markets and in the defense world over the next month:
"Heads up! Reality Change Ahead!
in running our MOM (model of modelspace) cleanup of the lexicon prior to tuning, it became apparent that October 25 turn in emotions globally will be dominated by a [lock down/implosion] of the [planetary financial/banking system]. The data suggests that such things a [currency trading] and [commodities trading] as well as many other [digital trading forms] will be [suspended]. Some will never resume, or if they do, they will be in entirely different forms. There may be a [banking lock up] in many countries emanating from the USofA outward. There may be [inter bank lock downs] in which [central banks] and [wealth storage clearing houses] will not be able to function. There are data sets suggesting that the rapid shift into building tension language on the 25th originates from and is propelled by the [financial system implosion] that then morphs over into [dollar rejected by all] a mere 10/ten days (more or less) later. There may be shut downs of all kinds of banking activity within the USofA and the rest of the anglosphere.
The [sudden/urgent travel] of the [administration (obama et al) minions] in early November, under this MOM background load shows up as being about [desperately trying] to get the rest of the [planet] to [loan] the actual [resources/wealth] to [restart] the [USofA banking system].
This MOM data set can be wrong in a way that the larger modelspace can not. The MOM set is so small that if it is wrong it is usually widely so. However, the data sets here are so focused, and bring in such crisp emotional shifts relative to the same days (10-25-2009), that it made sense to prepare this note.
If correct, this is the beginning of "The Big One" relative to the dollar and the central banking system. Everything else in the modern world depends on this structure...so it will be a big one throughout all of the social infrastructure.
If MOM is correct, then the [dollar death] will be way more dramatic and waaaay shorter than i had first thought. MOM is showing very dramatic language shifts (albeit against a much smaller background) for not only October 25, but also in a very sharp crocodile tooth pattern from November 4 through December 10th indicating a very very emotionally choppy time.
So, heads up! Reality shift (time/event bump) just ahead. If MOM is correct, there will be some additional levels of [visibility] on October 10th through the 15th that will put a focus on the 'trigger' that will show on October 25th and beyond.
Masa Katsu! Pie up now, panic later.
clif and cathy and igor.

http://urbansurvival.com/week.htm

If they're wrong, at least you've upped your preparedness...
...I'm betting they're not.
If you are in the stock market-get out. If you are a risk taker that can act fast then short the stock market then get your winnings out really fast-before the 25th-and buy physical silver, gold, heirloom seeds, ammunition: essentials.
Get your money out of the bank. Just do it. Convert that cash into essentials.
IF you have credit cards-essentials. Repudiate the debt later and screw the banksters back.
If you have a survival circle(I do)then be ready with an evac plan or whatever plan you got. Doesn't mean that things go to hell immediately but if the webbots are accurate enough the dollar's about to get burnt to a crisp. The debt based economy will seize up.
This means goods will rapidly run out! Have food, fuel-essentials.
In a few weeks after the 25th(if the webbots are right)America will start looking like Mad Max. In a couple months it will look like Dawn of the Dead-but with starving Americans instead of undead Americans.
I'd prepare anyway. Right now, consider this an exercise opportunity.

http://freedomguide.wordpress.com



Fortunately, the enemy's engineered economic collapse is also offering a golden opportunity-to see how things really are, to break free of the beast and its debt slavery the electronic narcotic, the preoccupation with baubles and passive entertainments. Seeing how much danger they're in, Americans have been arming up at a rate unparalleled in American history, the greatest arms race in history is happening now between the American People and the United States Government.

*'Sweeps' NOTE:

…A very early 'Good Morning all'. This is basically a 'back up' for Simon's submission on this Topic. 'Captain' and I find ourselves in 'The Studio' after a hard Night's road show...Preparing people for REVOLUTION. No joke...folks are 'feeling' the government suffocation of their Heritage/values...and are turning up and signing up. We came across Simon's Topic…and had so many things in the Files, thought it was a good time, early or not in the day/night, to make a contribution here.

Yes Indeedy, 'Bullet Makes can't keep up with the demand'. American citizens are ARMING frantically…ever since Obama was Elected. There is much more to this fast paced Paradigm changing world we find ourselves in right now too. We'll get into that later. First have a look at how Ammunition has become a rich commodity. Thanks/'S'

 BULLET_MAKERS_PHOTO.jpg   24.31K   11 downloads

NEW ORLEANS — Bullet-makers are working around the clock, seven days a week, and still can't keep up with the nation's demand for ammunition.

Shooting ranges, gun dealers and bullet manufacturers say they have never seen such shortages. Bullets, especially for handguns, have been scarce for months because gun enthusiasts are stocking up on ammo, in part because they fear President Barack Obama and the Democratic-controlled Congress will pass antigun legislation — even though nothing specific has been proposed and the president last month signed a law allowing people to carry loaded guns in national parks.

Gun sales spiked when it became clear Obama would be elected a year ago and purchases continued to rise in his first few months of office. The FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System reported that 6.1 million background checks for gun sales were issued from January to May, an increase of 25.6 percent from the same period the year before.

"That is going to cause an upswing in ammunition sales," said Larry Keane, senior vice president of the National Shooting Sports Foundation, a trade association representing about 5,000 members. "Without bullets a gun is just a paper weight."

The shortage for sportsmen is different than the scarcity of ammo for some police forces earlier this year, a dearth fueled by an increase in ammo use by the military in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"We are working overtime and still can't keep up with the demand," said Al Russo, spokesman for North Carolina-based Remington Arms Company, which makes bullets for rifles, handguns and shotguns. "We've had to add a fourth shift and go 24-7. It's a phenomenon that I have not seen before in my 30 years in the business."

Americans usually buy about 7 billion rounds of ammunition a year, according to the National Rifle Association. In the past year, that figure has jumped to about 9 billion rounds, said NRA spokeswoman Vickie Cieplak.

Jason Gregory, who manages Gretna Gun Works just outside of New Orleans, has been building his personal supply of ammunition for months. His goal is to have at least 1,000 rounds for each of his 25 weapons.

"I call it the Obama effect," said Gregory, 37, of Terrytown, La. "It always happens when the Democrats get in office. It happened with Clinton and Obama is even stronger for gun control. Ammunition will be the first step, so I'm stocking up while I can."

So far, the new administration nor Congress has not been markedly antigun. Obama has said he respects Second Amendment rights, but favors "common sense" on gun laws. Still, worries about what could happen persist.

Demand has been so heavy at some Walmarts, a limit was imposed on the amount of ammo customers can buy. The cutoff varies according to caliber and store location, but sometimes as little as one box — or 50 bullets — is allowed.

At Barnwood Arms in Ripon, Calif., sales manager Dallas Jett said some of the shortages have leveled off, but 45-caliber rounds are still hard to find.

"We've been in business for 32 years and I've been here for 10 and we've never seen anything like it," Jett said. "Coming out of Christmas everything started to dry up and it was that way all through the spring and summer.

Nationwide, distributors are scrambling to fill orders from retailers.

"We used to be able to order 50 or 60 cases and get them in three or four days easy, it was never an issue," said Vic Grechniw of Florida Ammo Traders, a distributor in Tampa, Fla. "Now you are really lucky if you can get one case a month. It just isn't there because the demand is way up."

A case contains 500 or 1,000 bullets.

At Jefferson Gun Outlet and Range in Metairie just west of New Orleans, owner Mike Mayer is worried individuals are going to start buying by the case.

"If someone wants to shoot on the weekend you have to worry about having the ammunition for them. And I know some people aren't buying to use it at the range, they're taking it home and hoarding it."

With demand, prices have also risen.

"Used to be gold, but now lead is the most expensive metal," said Donald Richards, 37, who was stocking up at the Jefferson store. "And worth every penny."

[skylark]

skylark, on Oct 5 2009, 05:15 AM, said:

*'Sweeps' NOTE:

…A very early 'Good Morning all'. This is basically a 'back up' for Simon's submission on this Topic. 'Captain' and I find ourselves in 'The Studio' after a hard Night's road show...Preparing people for REVOLUTION. No joke...folks are 'feeling' the government suffocation of their Heritage/values...and are turning up and signing up. We came across Simon's Topic…and had so many things in the Files, thought it was a good time, early or not in the day/night, to make a contribution here.

Yes Indeedy, 'Bullet Makes can't keep up with the demand'. American citizens are ARMING frantically…ever since Obama was Elected. There is much more to this fast paced Paradigm changing world we find ourselves in right now too. We'll get into that later. First have a look at how Ammunition has become a rich commodity. Thanks/'S'

BULLET_M...RS_PHOTO.jpg

NEW ORLEANS — Bullet-makers are working around the clock, seven days a week, and still can't keep up with the nation's demand for ammunition.

Shooting ranges, gun dealers and bullet manufacturers say they have never seen such shortages. Bullets, especially for handguns, have been scarce for months because gun enthusiasts are stocking up on ammo, in part because they fear President Barack Obama and the Democratic-controlled Congress will pass antigun legislation — even though nothing specific has been proposed and the president last month signed a law allowing people to carry loaded guns in national parks.

Gun sales spiked when it became clear Obama would be elected a year ago and purchases continued to rise in his first few months of office. The FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System reported that 6.1 million background checks for gun sales were issued from January to May, an increase of 25.6 percent from the same period the year before.

"That is going to cause an upswing in ammunition sales," said Larry Keane, senior vice president of the National Shooting Sports Foundation, a trade association representing about 5,000 members. "Without bullets a gun is just a paper weight."

The shortage for sportsmen is different than the scarcity of ammo for some police forces earlier this year, a dearth fueled by an increase in ammo use by the military in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"We are working overtime and still can't keep up with the demand," said Al Russo, spokesman for North Carolina-based Remington Arms Company, which makes bullets for rifles, handguns and shotguns. "We've had to add a fourth shift and go 24-7. It's a phenomenon that I have not seen before in my 30 years in the business."

Americans usually buy about 7 billion rounds of ammunition a year, according to the National Rifle Association. In the past year, that figure has jumped to about 9 billion rounds, said NRA spokeswoman Vickie Cieplak.

Jason Gregory, who manages Gretna Gun Works just outside of New Orleans, has been building his personal supply of ammunition for months. His goal is to have at least 1,000 rounds for each of his 25 weapons.

"I call it the Obama effect," said Gregory, 37, of Terrytown, La. "It always happens when the Democrats get in office. It happened with Clinton and Obama is even stronger for gun control. Ammunition will be the first step, so I'm stocking up while I can."

So far, the new administration nor Congress has not been markedly antigun. Obama has said he respects Second Amendment rights, but favors "common sense" on gun laws. Still, worries about what could happen persist.

Demand has been so heavy at some Walmarts, a limit was imposed on the amount of ammo customers can buy. The cutoff varies according to caliber and store location, but sometimes as little as one box — or 50 bullets — is allowed.

At Barnwood Arms in Ripon, Calif., sales manager Dallas Jett said some of the shortages have leveled off, but 45-caliber rounds are still hard to find.

"We've been in business for 32 years and I've been here for 10 and we've never seen anything like it," Jett said. "Coming out of Christmas everything started to dry up and it was that way all through the spring and summer.

Nationwide, distributors are scrambling to fill orders from retailers.

"We used to be able to order 50 or 60 cases and get them in three or four days easy, it was never an issue," said Vic Grechniw of Florida Ammo Traders, a distributor in Tampa, Fla. "Now you are really lucky if you can get one case a month. It just isn't there because the demand is way up."

A case contains 500 or 1,000 bullets.

At Jefferson Gun Outlet and Range in Metairie just west of New Orleans, owner Mike Mayer is worried individuals are going to start buying by the case.

"If someone wants to shoot on the weekend you have to worry about having the ammunition for them. And I know some people aren't buying to use it at the range, they're taking it home and hoarding it."

With demand, prices have also risen.

"Used to be gold, but now lead is the most expensive metal," said Donald Richards, 37, who was stocking up at the Jefferson store. "And worth every penny."

*'Sweeps' NOTE:
…There's a lot more to Simon's 'Paradigm' investigation then meets the eye.

Revealed, The ghost fleet of the recession anchored just east of Singapore.

The biggest and most secretive gathering of ships in maritime history lies at anchor east of Singapore. Never before photographed…it is bigger than the U.S. and British navies combined but has no crew, no cargo and no destination…and is why your Christmas stocking may be on the light side this year/'S'

 Biggest_gathering_of_maritime_ships_empty_Photo.jpg   67.79K   11 downloads

A couple of years ago these ships would be steaming back and forth. Now 12 per cent are doing nothing

They are anchored…so far off the beaten track that nobody ever really comes close, which is why these ships are here. The world's ship owners and government economists would prefer you not to see this symbol of the depths of the plague still crippling the world's economies.

So they have been quietly retired to this equatorial backwater, to be maintained only by a handful of bored sailors. The skeleton crews are left alone to fend off the ever-present threats of piracy and collisions in the congested waters as the hulls

There was nothing out there…just sea. Then the big ships just suddenly came one day, and every day there are more of them.

Some of them stay for a few weeks and then go away. But most of them just stay. You used to look Christmas from here straight over to Indonesia and see nothing but a few passing boats. Now you can no longer see the horizon.

The size of the idle fleet becomes more palpable when the ships' lights are switched on after sunset. From the small fishing villages that dot the coastline…a seemingly endless blaze of light stretches from one end of the horizon to another.

There are so many ships but no one seems to be on board. They are like real ghost ships and some people are scared of them. They believe they may bring a curse with them and that there may be bad spirits on the ships.

As daylight creeps across the waters, flags of convenience from destinations such as Panama and the Bahamas become visible. In reality, though, these vessels belong to some of the world's biggest Western shipping companies. And the sickness that has ravaged them began far away - in London, where the industry's heart beats, and where the plummeting profits and hugely reduced cargo prices are most keenly felt.

The Aframax-class oil tanker is the camel of the world's high seas. By definition, it is smaller than 132,000 tons deadweight and with a breadth above 106ft. It is used in the basins of the Black Sea, the North Sea, the Caribbean Sea, the China Sea and the Mediterranean - or anywhere where non-OPEC exporting countries have harbours and canals too small to accommodate very large crude carriers (VLCC) or ultra-large crude carriers (ULCCs). The term is based on the Average Freight Rate Assessment (AFRA) tanker rate system and is an industry standard.

The last to feel the tail of the economic whiplash, these Ships…and their insurers and lawyers…await a wave of redundancies and business failures in the next six months. Commerce is contracting…fleets rust away…yet new ship-builds ordered years ago are still coming on stream.

Just 12 months ago these financiers and brokers were enjoying fat bonuses as they traded cargo space. But nobody wants the space any more, and those that still need to ship goods across the world are demanding vast reductions in price.

Do not tell these men and women about green shoots of recovery. As Briton Tim Huxley, one of Asia's leading ship brokers, says, if the world is really pulling itself out of recession, then all these idle ships should be back on the move.

A couple of years ago those ships would have been steaming back and forth, going at full speed. But now you've got something like 12 per cent of the world's container ships doing nothing.

Aframaxes are oil bearers. But the slump is industry-wide. The cost of sending a 40ft steel container of merchandise from China to the UK has fallen from £850 plus fuel charges last year to £180 this year. The cost of chartering an entire bulk freighter suitable for carrying raw materials has plunged even further, from close to £185,000 ($300,000) last summer to an incredible £6,100 ($10,000) earlier this year.

Some experts believe the ratio of container ships sitting idle could rise to 25 per cent within two years in an extraordinary downturn that shipping giant Maersk has called a 'crisis of historic dimensions'. Last month the company reported its first half-year loss in its 105-year history.

These empty ships should be carrying Christmas over to the West. All retailers will have already ordered their stock for the festive season long ago. With more than 92 per cent of all goods coming into the UK by sea, much of it should be on its way here

The knock-on effect of so many ships sitting idle rather than moving consumer goods between Asia and Europe could become apparent in Britain in the months ahead.

We will find out at Christmas whether there are enough PlayStations in the shops or not. There will certainly be fewer goods coming in to Britain during the run-up to Christmas.

As the shipping industry teeters on the brink of collapse, the activity at boatyards like Mokpo and Ulsan in South Korea all looks like a sick joke. But the workers in these bustling shipyards, who teem around giant tankers and mega-vessels the length of several football pitches and capable of carrying 10,000 or more containers each…have no choice…they are trapped in a cruel time warp.

There have hardly been any new orders. In 2011 the shipyards will simply run out of ships to build

[skylark]

skylark, on Oct 6 2009, 10:36 AM, said:

*'Sweeps' NOTE:
…There's a lot more to Simon's 'Paradigm' investigation then meets the eye.

Revealed, The ghost fleet of the recession anchored just east of Singapore.

The biggest and most secretive gathering of ships in maritime history lies at anchor east of Singapore. Never before photographed…it is bigger than the U.S. and British navies combined but has no crew, no cargo and no destination…and is why your Christmas stocking may be on the light side this year/'S'

Biggest_...ty_Photo.jpg

A couple of years ago these ships would be steaming back and forth. Now 12 per cent are doing nothing

They are anchored…so far off the beaten track that nobody ever really comes close, which is why these ships are here. The world's ship owners and government economists would prefer you not to see this symbol of the depths of the plague still crippling the world's economies.

So they have been quietly retired to this equatorial backwater, to be maintained only by a handful of bored sailors. The skeleton crews are left alone to fend off the ever-present threats of piracy and collisions in the congested waters as the hulls

There was nothing out there…just sea. Then the big ships just suddenly came one day, and every day there are more of them.

Some of them stay for a few weeks and then go away. But most of them just stay. You used to look Christmas from here straight over to Indonesia and see nothing but a few passing boats. Now you can no longer see the horizon.

The size of the idle fleet becomes more palpable when the ships' lights are switched on after sunset. From the small fishing villages that dot the coastline…a seemingly endless blaze of light stretches from one end of the horizon to another.

There are so many ships but no one seems to be on board. They are like real ghost ships and some people are scared of them. They believe they may bring a curse with them and that there may be bad spirits on the ships.

As daylight creeps across the waters, flags of convenience from destinations such as Panama and the Bahamas become visible. In reality, though, these vessels belong to some of the world's biggest Western shipping companies. And the sickness that has ravaged them began far away - in London, where the industry's heart beats, and where the plummeting profits and hugely reduced cargo prices are most keenly felt.

The Aframax-class oil tanker is the camel of the world's high seas. By definition, it is smaller than 132,000 tons deadweight and with a breadth above 106ft. It is used in the basins of the Black Sea, the North Sea, the Caribbean Sea, the China Sea and the Mediterranean - or anywhere where non-OPEC exporting countries have harbours and canals too small to accommodate very large crude carriers (VLCC) or ultra-large crude carriers (ULCCs). The term is based on the Average Freight Rate Assessment (AFRA) tanker rate system and is an industry standard.

The last to feel the tail of the economic whiplash, these Ships…and their insurers and lawyers…await a wave of redundancies and business failures in the next six months. Commerce is contracting…fleets rust away…yet new ship-builds ordered years ago are still coming on stream.

Just 12 months ago these financiers and brokers were enjoying fat bonuses as they traded cargo space. But nobody wants the space any more, and those that still need to ship goods across the world are demanding vast reductions in price.

Do not tell these men and women about green shoots of recovery. As Briton Tim Huxley, one of Asia's leading ship brokers, says, if the world is really pulling itself out of recession, then all these idle ships should be back on the move.

A couple of years ago those ships would have been steaming back and forth, going at full speed. But now you've got something like 12 per cent of the world's container ships doing nothing.

Aframaxes are oil bearers. But the slump is industry-wide. The cost of sending a 40ft steel container of merchandise from China to the UK has fallen from £850 plus fuel charges last year to £180 this year. The cost of chartering an entire bulk freighter suitable for carrying raw materials has plunged even further, from close to £185,000 ($300,000) last summer to an incredible £6,100 ($10,000) earlier this year.

Some experts believe the ratio of container ships sitting idle could rise to 25 per cent within two years in an extraordinary downturn that shipping giant Maersk has called a 'crisis of historic dimensions'. Last month the company reported its first half-year loss in its 105-year history.

These empty ships should be carrying Christmas over to the West. All retailers will have already ordered their stock for the festive season long ago. With more than 92 per cent of all goods coming into the UK by sea, much of it should be on its way here

The knock-on effect of so many ships sitting idle rather than moving consumer goods between Asia and Europe could become apparent in Britain in the months ahead.

We will find out at Christmas whether there are enough PlayStations in the shops or not. There will certainly be fewer goods coming in to Britain during the run-up to Christmas.

As the shipping industry teeters on the brink of collapse, the activity at boatyards like Mokpo and Ulsan in South Korea all looks like a sick joke. But the workers in these bustling shipyards, who teem around giant tankers and mega-vessels the length of several football pitches and capable of carrying 10,000 or more containers each…have no choice…they are trapped in a cruel time warp.

There have hardly been any new orders. In 2011 the shipyards will simply run out of ships to build

*'Sweeps' NOTE:
…Here…below, are some interesting comparisons which resounds with 'Paradigm Change' through the years. Those who have lived through both ends of this…feel the difference, and DON'T like it one bit. We were BETTER OFF in '59' folks. Now we live in Paranoid Ville and Zombie Land…THANS TO Big Government intrusion. AND, where's the public outcry. We've all been lulled to sleep. How come Simon…I'm the only one keeping this Topic going? Even 'Seth'...sniffs around the 'Forum'...and ventures nothing lately/'S'

HIGH SCHOOL -- 1959 vs. 2009
Scenario 1:
Jack goes quail hunting before school and then pulls into the school parking
lot with his shotgun in his truck's gun rack.
1959 - Vice Principal comes over, looks at Jack's shotgun, goes to his car
and gets his shotgun to show Jack.
2009 - School goes into lock down, FBI called, Jack hauled off to jail and
never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors called in for traumatized
students and teachers.

Scenario 2:
Johnny and Mark get into a fist fight after school.
1959 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up
buddies.
2009 - Police called an d SWAT team arrives -- they arrest both Johnny and
Mark. They are both charged them with assault and both expelled even though
Johnny started it.

Scenario 3:
Jeffrey will not be still in class, he disrupts other students.
1959 - Jeffrey sent to the Principal's office and given a good paddling by
the Principal. He then returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt
class again.
2009 - Jeffrey is given huge doses of Ritalin. He becomes a zombie. He is
then tested for ADD.. The school gets extra money from the state because
Jeffrey has a disability.

Scenario 4:
Billy breaks a window in his neighbor's car and his Dad gives him a whipping
with his belt.
1959 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college and
becomes a successful businessman.
2009 - Billy's dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy is removed to foster
care and joins a gang. The state psychologist is told by Billy's sister that
she remembers being abused herself and their dad goes to prison. Billy's mom
has an affair with the psychologist.

Scenario 5:
Mark gets a headache and takes some aspirin=2 0to school.
1959 - Mark shares his aspirin with the Principal out on the smoking dock.
2009 - The police are called and Mark is expelled from school for drug
violations. His car is then searched for drugs and weapons.

Scenario 6:
Pedro fails high school English.
1959 - Pedro goes to summer school, passes English and goes to college.
2009 - Pedro's cause is taken up by state. Newspaper articles appear
nationally explaining that teaching English as a requirement for graduation
is racist. ACLU files class action lawsuit against the state school system
and Pedro's English teacher. English is then banned from core curriculum..
Pedro is given his diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living
because he cannot speak English.

Scenario 7:
Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from20the Fourth of July, puts them
in a model airplane paint bottle and blows up a red ant bed.
1959 -
Ants die.
2009 - ATF, Homeland Security and the FBI are all called. Johnny is charged
with domestic terrorism. The FBI investigates his parents -- and all
siblings are removed from their home and all computers are confiscated.
Johnny's dad is placed on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly
again.

Scenario 8:
Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his knee. He is found
crying by his teacher, Mary. Mary hugs him to comfort him.
1959 - In a short time, Johnny feels better and goes on playing.
2009 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She
faces 3 years in State Prison. Johnny undergoes 5 years of therapy.

[simple simon]

sorry cannot comment 'right now' as I've taken off my cotton wool jacket and if i type too much I might catch RSI from the keyboard.

Simon

PS did you hear about the school dinner lady who found a group of children who in a secluded part of the playground had tied up a girl, who was now crying? well... she freed the girl and when she had a chance encounter with the parents a day or so later let slip what had been going on. She 'only' told them the truth - which the school had not - and promptly was dismissed from the school for breaching confidentiality.

pps, I think that one reason why I did not get to keep the job I had was that there was a computer which had been returned 6(!) times for crashing when using USB devices, and after testing this laptop with several USB devices in the workshop as well as running many other tests and not finding any faults so I suggested to my superiors that I would like to have the customer's USB device in for testing - but they said that as the insurance policy covered the laptop and not the USB device therefore it was not their problem.

Edited by simple simon, 06 October 2009 - 10:08 PM.

[skylark]

simple simon, on Oct 6 2009, 11:07 PM, said:

sorry cannot comment 'right now' as I've taken off my cotton wool jacket and if i type too much I might catch RSI from the keyboard.

Simon

PS did you hear about the school dinner lady who found a group of children who in a secluded part of the playground had tied up a girl, who was now crying? well... she freed the girl and when she had a chance encounter with the parents a day or so later let slip what had been going on. She 'only' told them the truth - which the school had not - and promptly was dismissed from the school for breaching confidentiality.

pps, I think that one reason why I did not get to keep the job I had was that there was a computer which had been returned 6(!) times for crashing when using USB devices, and after testing this laptop with several USB devices in the workshop as well as running many other tests and not finding any faults so I suggested to my superiors that I would like to have the customer's USB device in for testing - but they said that as the insurance policy covered the laptop and not the USB device therefore it was not their problem.

*Evening Simon,
...Hmmm MRSA from the 'Keyboard'? You and Howard Hughes would get along fine...Laugh.
You picked up the 'thread'/theme real well with 'The School Dinner Lady'. You're on track. Lots more 'gathering' in this Topic.
You weren't allow to stay on the job...because you have Values/morality/consciousness. Yep, rare in today's 'Market Place'. Good on you Simon.
Anyway, you will prevail and 'get ahead'...I'm positive. Damned good in my books. As I'm wont of saying...'You're not well thank goodness, normal people are so boring'. Luv it/'S'

[simple simon]

Hi Sweeps,

Repetative sprain injury - not the food poisoning illness. People need protecting from every possible harm nowadays, so cotton wool is needed when using the computer keyboard.

(OK, that was an OTT suggesting, but the way society is nowadays its only a matter of time...)

Simon

[simple simon]

they are still expecting later this month onwards - on Easrthboppin's dreams thread there are also quite a few people discussing quake dreams.

Meanwhile, somewhere else the talk is of the military taking over used car repair garages and in the first instance wanting to rewire them. The suggestion is with wiring which has been hardened against electronic magnetic pulses (emp).

Its all going to be happening at the same time.

Simon