Irish Ufology > Warning-bust In 2009 Update 3-we Show You Why & Video

skylark

Dec 23 2008, 02:23 PM

Warning- -BUST IN 2009-We show you why

-Economic worldwide disaster –

*UPDATE VIDEO/COMMENTARY-BY ONE WHO SHOULD KNOW*

*'Sweeps' NOTE 3:
…Watch the 'Derivatives Market'…it's about to CRASH. Wall Street/STOCKS…are now being overwhelmed/falsified by fast 'machines', to give the appearance of 'A Bull Market'. Not only are the new high tech/high speed transactions giving big banks an overwhelming trading advantage over retail investors, they're also
creating a TOTALLY false impression about the REAL UN-health of the stock market.

These new high tech trading tools have rendered liquidity calculations…a very important barometer of market health… absolutely bogus. The consequences
of this will become apparent when the bottom falls out of the market suddenly and dramatically…FOR 'REAL' Get the video below/'S'

*CLICK below on the 'My Website' Link for this needed Video:
Visit My Website

*'Sweeps' NOTE 2:
Well Folks…you DO need to PAY ATTENTION TO THIS!!! Watch/listen to Celente on the LINK Here…he's a very smart guy…with a wealth of Financial background & on the job experience. What he is saying is a thousand times more accurate than what you are hearing from TV or other so called 'Major Media'. America… is in big trouble and they are not doing anything visible to Help us out. It will take many Years to PULL US OUT of 'This One'.
1^{ST '}in The States'…we would have to totally eliminate the federal reserve system, cancel all debt all the way from national to individual and start with new money.
In the mean time…suggest you all…plant gardens or grow things in pots if you can. Stock up food and all the staple items you can think of. And, buy gold and silver.

This VIDEO…'Lays it all out'…and Blasts 'Obama' and his team royally.
Recently…PM, Jim Sinclair made a similar statement, as have Harry
Schultz, and Richard Russell -- the greatest financial minds on the planet.
Their consensus is that this is now unavoidable. We've been concerned about this for the past four years. Now some are starting to pay attention.
Please get prepared. Things aren't as they use to be/'S'

*CLICK below on the 'My Website' Link for the TV Interview of Celente:

Visit My Website

*'Sweeps' NOTE 1:
…The Baltic Dry Index…BDI, is an indicator of how many products are actually
out for delivery throughout the world. It cannot be cheated or manipulated
because it deals with actual products that are either actively being shipped
or are on docks awaiting to be shipped as Freight On Board…FOB.
Most Folks don't even know about this 'INDEX'. It is an 'ABSOLUTE' indicator.
We expect this 'Whole Thing' to 'come down' in March of 2009. 'We' have been urging you to stock up on…dry foods like 50 lb bags of rice, 50 lb bags of oatmeal, powdered milk, canned foods, canned vegetables and such to assure your family will have enough to eat when the world economy totally collapses.
Read below…and PREPARE YOURSELVES. Pass this on folks-Thanks/'S'

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OK…back in June, 2008, the BDI stood at a reasonably healthy 11,600.
As of today…the BDI has plummeted to 791. That would be about a 94% drop
in goods actually being shipped worldwide.

This portends unprecedented disaster around the world, especially as it
relates to food. Products are simply not being shipped. They aren't being
shipped because there aren't any orders for them.

This 'Predicted' scenario…is irrefutable. The BDI proves that goods are not being shipped. There has been a 94% reduction in shipped goods since June of this year and it is only going to get worse.

If you do not have food stored up for your family…quite Simply…you will starve to death. If you do not own guns and ammunition…any food you DO have will be stolen by roving bands of savages who are trying not to starve to death.

Living in 'CITIES'….'Not Cool', but we've been saying that for years folks. 'Bad Vibes Man'.

...There will be attempts to take away your firearms and ammo of course...RESIST/FIGHT

Click to view attachment

The social breakdown that is coming...is/will be…unparalleled in modern history. We are going to suffer on an order of magnitude greater than folks suffered
during the Great Depression.

Please, 'We' urge you, prepare. There are only a few precious months left before it all goes to hell.

[size="4"]**There SHOULD BE a gradual lessening of 'The Crisis' for some after 2010, But…no one should imagine that the improvement at the end of 2010 will
correspond to a return of high growth.

OK…in some regions of the world the 'Recovery' may start at the end of 2010…like Asia and parts of the Eurozone, as well as in countries producing energy, mineral and food commodities. BUT… elsewhere it will continue…in particular in the U.S. and the U.K…and in all the countries depending on their bankrupt economies. Here… duration could approximate a decade. In fact these countries should not expect any real return to growth before 2018.

YEP…the recovery will be long. For Instance…stock markets will take a decade to return to levels comparable to 2007, if they ever return to that.

** Finally…the risk to be EXPECTED…is of the sudden collapse of all capital-based pension systems…as part of the consequences of the crisis…for dozens of millions of people in the US, Canada, UK, Japan, Netherlands and Denmark in particular.

There is the fact that…from the end of the year 2008 onward…
news about major losses on the part of the organizations in charge of
managing the financial assets supposed to finance pensions will multiply.

simple simon

Dec 23 2008, 11:27 PM

Thanks Sweeps,

As I understand it, whats coming will be such that even storing 6 months worth of food will not be enough.

For me there is another dilemma, in that I am about to become unemployed.

So, next month, I have 3 options.

1) Pay my tax bill
2) Save my money and keep paying off debts, hoping to find a new job before I run out of money
3) Buy food.

Or should I follow the 'alternative 4' option and 'disappear' in New Zealand?

Working on the basis that when I was unemployed last I was always 'OK' (although life was tough), that I have been assured that I have many years of life in front of me and that my health might benefit if I lost some weight, I am totally confused as to what to do!!!

So, I shall eat like a pig this Xmas (although I should add that I do not actually eat piggy) and hope to gain even more weight, as thats one store of food which cannot be stolen from me!

Palatable water is a concern however. And maybe I should buy some water resistant matches - so that I can have heat (fire) when all other energy sources cease?

Simon

PS: Wishing everyone a joyous festive season and all the best for 2009, good health, happiness, the realisation of your best dreams...

PPS: oh, woe is me, the Pound / Euro exchange rate is a nightmare

skylark

Dec 24 2008, 04:46 PM

QUOTE (simple simon @ Dec 23 2008, 11:27 PM)

Thanks Sweeps,

As I understand it, whats coming will be such that even storing 6 months worth of food will not be enough.

For me there is another dilemma, in that I am about to become unemployed.

So, next month, I have 3 options.

1) Pay my tax bill
2) Save my money and keep paying off debts, hoping to find a new job before I run out of money
3) Buy food.

Or should I follow the 'alternative 4' option and 'disappear' in New Zealand?

Working on the basis that when I was unemployed last I was always 'OK' (although life was tough), that I have been assured that I have many years of life in front of me and that my health might benefit if I lost some weight, I am totally confused as to what to do!!!

So, I shall eat like a pig this Xmas (although I should add that I do not actually eat piggy) and hope to gain even more weight, as thats one store of food which cannot be stolen from me!

Palatable water is a concern however. And maybe I should buy some water resistant matches - so that I can have heat (fire) when all other energy sources cease?

Simon

PS: Wishing everyone a joyous festive season and all the best for 2009, good health, happiness, the realisation of your best dreams...

PPS: oh, woe is me, the Pound / Euro exchange rate is a nightmare

QUOTE

*Don't want to say 'you're welcome' Simon...since my spirit is Bleeding for you after that...dam

*

*Simon,
...Yes, realization of Dreams and all that is very nice...and we all thank you.
E-mail me and let me know some of the particulars kid.
Do Care about 'all that' Simon...and while the 'outlooks' are NOT Good & you're NOT alone, there are Caring people who would bend all efforts to help out. Something WILL be done....count on that. Have yourself that 'Piggy' binge and hope you have the warmth/comfort/love of family and friends through out this Season. All the very best/'S'

simple simon

Dec 28 2008, 09:27 PM

Thanks Sweeps,

Sorry if at times I sound a little 'jokey' with my comments, I suppose its part of a way of coping with issues which are sometimes challenging.

I've been offline somewhat the past few days, away on Xmas day, spending time away from the internet, etc. This is such an artificial time of year but at least it lets people (partially) forget their worries for a few days. Like (I suppose many people) I have been eating a little more than usual, but not too much to excess. A few months ago a chocolate manufacturer named one of its products 'credit crunch', and seeing that I am a victim of this I thought that I might munch on some of that!

re: my 'piggy' comments, I do not eat pig (pork, ham, bacon, etc). This has nothing to do with any festival / holiday, etc or even the recent Irish contaminated feed issue. If I could I'd avoid meat (and poultry) completely, although not fish and especially not mackerel which is very good for us humans.

re: storing food for the coming shortages, I bet that as soon as the masses wake up to whats coming the governments will impose food hoarding restrictions, making it illegal to have more than a fortnight or so of food in a house...

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So, I go to work tomorrow (Monday) helping my boss empty everything out of a shop / workshop where the lease is being given up on the 31st. Then along with thousands of Woolworths and other employees of closing businesses I sign on. Assuming that my boss keeps me until Wednesday then I sign-on on Friday, as everything will be closed on Thursday.

Recently someone gave me a Tarot card reading, and said that I will only be unemployed for a short while, few months perhaps. We shall see.... in the meantime its the wrong time of the year to have a day out at the seaside

- and the Euro exchange makes a day out in a European city (such as Dublin) far too expensive....

(anyway, cant plan ahead, in case I find myself being offered a job starting that day - in the computer industry many contract jobs are only offered the day before a person is expected to start!)

Simon

skylark

Dec 28 2008, 09:37 PM

QUOTE (simple simon @ Dec 28 2008, 09:27 PM)

Thanks Sweeps,

Sorry if at times I sound a little 'jokey' with my comments, I suppose its part of a way of coping with issues which are sometimes challenging.

I've been offline somewhat the past few days, away on Xmas day, spending time away from the internet, etc. This is such an artificial time of year but at least it lets people (partially) forget their worries for a few days. Like (I suppose many people) I have been eating a little more than usual, but not too much to excess. A few months ago a chocolate manufacturer named one of its products 'credit crunch', and seeing that I am a victim of this I thought that I might munch on some of that!

re: my 'piggy' comments, I do not eat pig (pork, ham, bacon, etc). This has nothing to do with any festival / holiday, etc or even the recent Irish contaminated feed issue. If I could I'd avoid meat (and poultry) completely, although not fish and especially not mackerel which is very good for us humans.

re: storing food for the coming shortages, I bet that as soon as the masses wake up to whats coming the governments will impose food hoarding restrictions, making it illegal to have more than a fortnight or so of food in a house...

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So, I go to work tomorrow (Monday) helping my boss empty everything out of a shop / workshop where the lease is being given up on the 31st. Then along with thousands of Woolworths and other employees of closing businesses I sign on. Assuming that my boss keeps me until Wednesday then I sign-on on Friday, as everything will be closed on Thursday.

Recently someone gave me a Tarot card reading, and said that I will only be unemployed for a short while, few months perhaps. We shall see.... in the meantime its the wrong time of the year to have a day out at the seaside

- and the Euro exchange makes a day out in a European city (such as Dublin) far too expensive....

(anyway, cant plan ahead, in case I find myself being offered a job starting that day - in the computer industry many contract jobs are only offered the day before a person is expected to start!)

Simon

*Hey kid,
...I'm not at all 'happy' with that situation for you. I repeat...send me an E-mail. Best cheers/'S'

simple simon

Dec 28 2008, 11:46 PM

QUOTE (skylark @ Dec 28 2008, 09:37 PM)

*Hey kid,
...I'm not at all 'happy' with that situation for you. I repeat...send me an E-mail. Best cheers/'S'

writing it now - you'll see it before midnight!

Simon

skylark

Dec 29 2008, 11:26 AM

QUOTE (simple simon @ Dec 28 2008, 11:46 PM)

writing it now - you'll see it before midnight!

Simon

*Right and OK Simon,
...Got the 'mail' on that. Will get back to you....'otherwise'. Many thanks on that and 'Happy New Year'/'S'

simple simon

Jan 4 2009, 10:45 AM

Greetings Sweeps and everyone, hopefully 'happy' New Year too.

RE: the BDI, maybe things just slowed down for Xmas?

Or could it be that with letters of credit hard to obtain so long term predictions I read ages ago (and which you echo at the start of this thread) really are coming into fruition? These predictions suggest that the transport of food around the globe will falter, so that areas where various foodstuffs (fruits, veg, etc) are grown will have massive surpluses, whilst the areas where the foods are normally eaten will go hungry.

A few days ago I saw it said that one of the areas with food shortages will be the PNW in the USA, whilst elsewhere in the USA there will be food, with much of it being left to rot for want of people to store it / ship it elsewhere. Oh, and these areas will have energy / fuel shortages, so that the food cannot even be deep frozen for a later time

What happens here in Britain... I dare not say aloud.

Simon

ps: am linking this thread to quite a few people I know who think I'm a crazed doomster

, so that they can see my source of information.

pps: have you seen the latest from the webbots? Another tsunami this year, plus more... (link opens as an Adobe Acrobat pdf file) http://www.urbansurvival.com/2009summary.pdf

simple simon

Jan 19 2009, 10:48 PM

www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/4229198/Shipping-rates-hit-zero-as-trade-sinks.html

Shipping rates hit zero as trade sinks
Freight rates for containers shipped from Asia to Europe have fallen to zero for the first time since records began, underscoring the dramatic collapse in trade since the world economy buckled in October.

"They have already hit zero," said Charles de Trenck, a broker at Transport Trackers in Hong Kong. "We have seen trade activity fall off a cliff. Asia-Europe is an unmitigated disaster."

Shipping journal Lloyd's List said brokers in Singapore are now waiving fees for containers travelling from South China, charging only for the minimal "bunker" costs. Container fees from North Asia have dropped $200, taking them below operating cost.

Industry sources said they have never seen rates fall so low. "This is a whole new ball game," said one trader.

The Baltic Dry Index (BDI) which measures freight rates for bulk commodities such as iron ore and grains crashed several months ago, falling 96pc. The BDI – though a useful early-warning index – is highly volatile and exaggerates apparent ups and downs in trade. However, the latest phase of the shipping crisis is different. It has spread to core trade of finished industrial goods, the lifeblood of the world economy.

Trade data from Asia's export tigers has been disastrous over recent weeks, reflecting the collapse in US, UK and European markets.

Korea's exports fell 30pc in January compared to a year earlier. Exports have slumped 42pc in Taiwan and 27pc in Japan, according to the most recent monthly data. Even China has now started to see an outright contraction in shipments, led by steel, electronics and textiles.

A report by ING yesterday said shipping activity at US ports has suddenly dived. Outbound traffic from Long Beach and Los Angeles, America's two top ports, has fallen by 18pc year-on-year, a far more serious decline than anything seen in recent recessions.

"This is no regular cycle slowdown, but a complete collapse in foreign demand," said Lindsay Coburn, ING's trade consultant.

Idle ships are now stretched in rows outside Singapore's harbour, creating an eerie silhouette like a vast naval fleet at anchor. Shipping experts note the number of vessels moving around seem unusually high in the water, indicating low cargoes.

It became difficult for the shippers to obtain routine letters of credit at the height of financial crisis over the autumn, causing goods to pile up at ports even though there was a willing buyer at the other end. Analysts say this problem has been resolved, but the shipping industry has since been swamped by the global trade contraction.

The World Bank caused shockwaves with a warning last month that global trade may decline this year for the first time since the Second World War. This appears increasingly certain with each new batch of data.

Mr de Trenck predicts Asian trade to the US will fall 7pc this year. To Europe he estimates a drop of 9pc – possibly 12pc. Trade flows grow 8pc in an average year.

He said it was "illogical" for shippers to offer zero rates, but they do whatever they can to survive in a highly cyclical market.

Offering slots for free is akin to an airline giving away spare seats for nothing in the hope of making something from meals and fees.

skylark

Jan 20 2009, 03:40 PM

QUOTE (simple simon @ Jan 19 2009, 10:48 PM)

www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/4229198/Shipping-rates-hit-zero-as-trade-sinks.html

Shipping rates hit zero as trade sinks
Freight rates for containers shipped from Asia to Europe have fallen to zero for the first time since records began, underscoring the dramatic collapse in trade since the world economy buckled in October.

"They have already hit zero," said Charles de Trenck, a broker at Transport Trackers in Hong Kong. "We have seen trade activity fall off a cliff. Asia-Europe is an unmitigated disaster."

Shipping journal Lloyd's List said brokers in Singapore are now waiving fees for containers travelling from South China, charging only for the minimal "bunker" costs. Container fees from North Asia have dropped $200, taking them below operating cost.

Industry sources said they have never seen rates fall so low. "This is a whole new ball game," said one trader.

The Baltic Dry Index (BDI) which measures freight rates for bulk commodities such as iron ore and grains crashed several months ago, falling 96pc. The BDI – though a useful early-warning index – is highly volatile and exaggerates apparent ups and downs in trade. However, the latest phase of the shipping crisis is different. It has spread to core trade of finished industrial goods, the lifeblood of the world economy.

Trade data from Asia's export tigers has been disastrous over recent weeks, reflecting the collapse in US, UK and European markets.

Korea's exports fell 30pc in January compared to a year earlier. Exports have slumped 42pc in Taiwan and 27pc in Japan, according to the most recent monthly data. Even China has now started to see an outright contraction in shipments, led by steel, electronics and textiles.

A report by ING yesterday said shipping activity at US ports has suddenly dived. Outbound traffic from Long Beach and Los Angeles, America's two top ports, has fallen by 18pc year-on-year, a far more serious decline than anything seen in recent recessions.

"This is no regular cycle slowdown, but a complete collapse in foreign demand," said Lindsay Coburn, ING's trade consultant.

Idle ships are now stretched in rows outside Singapore's harbour, creating an eerie silhouette like a vast naval fleet at anchor. Shipping experts note the number of vessels moving around seem unusually high in the water, indicating low cargoes.

It became difficult for the shippers to obtain routine letters of credit at the height of financial crisis over the autumn, causing goods to pile up at ports even though there was a willing buyer at the other end. Analysts say this problem has been resolved, but the shipping industry has since been swamped by the global trade contraction.

The World Bank caused shockwaves with a warning last month that global trade may decline this year for the first time since the Second World War. This appears increasingly certain with each new batch of data.

Mr de Trenck predicts Asian trade to the US will fall 7pc this year. To Europe he estimates a drop of 9pc – possibly 12pc. Trade flows grow 8pc in an average year.

He said it was "illogical" for shippers to offer zero rates, but they do whatever they can to survive in a highly cyclical market.

Offering slots for free is akin to an airline giving away spare seats for nothing in the hope of making something from meals and fees.

*ZERO Simon,
...Yep, noted that alright. Thanks for the update. Things getting pretty MERKY globally.Most people have 'No Clue' about the BDIndex! They mostly look to the 'Stock Markets'...which are 'Managed/staged/worked' by nefarious 'Market Makers. In other words...Fixed/'S'

skylark

Feb 16 2009, 03:57 PM

QUOTE (skylark @ Dec 23 2008, 02:23 PM)

Warning- -BUST IN 2009-We show you why

-Economic worldwide disaster –

*'Sweeps' NOTE:
…The Baltic Dry Index…BDI, is an indicator of how many products are actually
out for delivery throughout the world. It cannot be cheated or manipulated
because it deals with actual products that are either actively being shipped
or are on docks awaiting to be shipped as Freight On Board…FOB.

Most Folks don't even know about this 'INDEX'. It is an 'ABSOLUTE' indicator.

We expect this 'Whole Thing' to 'come down' in March of 2009. 'We' have been urging you to stock up on…dry foods like 50 lb bags of rice, 50 lb bags of oatmeal, powdered milk, canned foods, canned vegetables and such to assure your family will have enough to eat when the world economy totally collapses.
Read below…and PREPARE YOURSELVES. Pass this on folks-Thanks/'S'

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OK…back in June, 2008, the BDI stood at a reasonably healthy 11,600.
As of today…the BDI has plummeted to 791. That would be about a 94% drop
in goods actually being shipped worldwide.

This portends unprecedented disaster around the world, especially as it
relates to food. Products are simply not being shipped. They aren't being
shipped because there aren't any orders for them.

This 'Predicted' scenario…is irrefutable. The BDI proves that goods are not being shipped. There has been a 94% reduction in shipped goods since June of this year and it is only going to get worse.

If you do not have food stored up for your family…quite Simply…you will starve to death. If you do not own guns and ammunition…any food you DO have will be stolen by roving bands of savages who are trying not to starve to death.

Living in 'CITIES'….'Not Cool', but we've been saying that for years folks. 'Bad Vibes Man'.

...There will be attempts to take away your firearms and ammo of course...RESIST/FIGHT

Click to view attachment

The social breakdown that is coming...is/will be…unparalleled in modern history. We are going to suffer on an order of magnitude greater than folks suffered
during the Great Depression.

Please, 'We' urge you, prepare. There are only a few precious months left before it all goes to hell.

**There SHOULD BE a gradual lessening of 'The Crisis' for some after 2010, But…no one should imagine that the improvement at the end of 2010 will
correspond to a return of high growth.

OK…in some regions of the world the 'Recovery' may start at the end of 2010…like Asia and parts of the Eurozone, as well as in countries producing energy, mineral and food commodities. BUT… elsewhere it will continue…in particular in the U.S. and the U.K…and in all the countries depending on their bankrupt economies. Here… duration could approximate a decade. In fact these countries should not expect any real return to growth before 2018.

YEP…the recovery will be long. For Instance…stock markets will take a decade to return to levels comparable to 2007, if they ever return to that.

** Finally…the risk to be EXPECTED…is of the sudden collapse of all capital-based pension systems…as part of the consequences of the crisis…for dozens of millions of people in the US, Canada, UK, Japan, Netherlands and Denmark in particular.

There is the fact that…from the end of the year 2008 onward…
news about major losses on the part of the organizations in charge of
managing the financial assets supposed to finance pensions will multiply.

*'Sweeps' NOTE:
...updated THIS with a VIDEO/cOMMENTARY which is a great 'Summation'/Prediction' of what IS going to happen with all this. Put it in the Main/Topic/Theme Page. HEED THIS Please...Thanks/'S'

simple simon

Feb 18 2009, 04:25 PM

Thanks Sweeps, message noted.

I was out today and bought some Brussel Sprouts. I was somewhat surprised to see that they were actually grown here in in Britain. So hopefully these will still be available. That said, who actually *likes* these things?

On another list there is a thread about an Argentinian Survivalist and what happened when their economy more or less collapsed a few years ago, and the government raided everyone's bank savings.

It makes for sombre reading.

Someone added to that thread a list of almost 100 things which will disappear fast. Maybe they meant when the economy has reached the stage whereby the masses realise that it really could be about to fail, and not for when international shipping fails, nevertheless it still might be of interest.

Simon

100 Items to Disappear First

1. Generators (Good ones cost dearly. Gas storage, risky. Noisy...target of thieves; maintenance etc.)
2. Water Filters/Purifiers
3. Portable Toilets
4. Seasoned Firewood. Wood takes about 6 - 12 months to become dried, for home uses.
5. Lamp Oil, Wicks, Lamps (First Choice: Buy CLEAR oil. If scarce, stockpile ANY!)
6. Coleman Fuel. Impossible to stockpile too much.
7. Guns, Ammunition, Pepper Spray, Knives, Clubs, Bats & Slingshots.
8. Hand-can openers, & hand egg beaters, whisks.
9. Honey/Syrups/white, brown sugar
10. Rice - Beans - Wheat
11. Vegetable Oil (for cooking) Without it food burns/must be boiled etc.,)
12. Charcoal, Lighter Fluid (Will become scarce suddenly)
13. Water Containers (Urgent Item to obtain.) Any size. Small: HARD CLEAR PLASTIC ONLY - note - food grade if for drinking.
14. Mini Heater head (Propane) (Without this item, propane won't heat a room.)
15. Grain Grinder (Non-electric)
16. Propane Cylinders (Urgent: Definite shortages will occur.
17. Survival Guide Book.
18. Mantles: Aladdin, Coleman, etc. (Without this item, longer-term lighting is difficult.)
19. Baby Supplies: Diapers/formula. ointments/aspirin, etc.
20. Washboards, Mop Bucket w/wringer (for Laundry)
21. Cookstoves (Propane, Coleman & Kerosene)
22. Vitamins
23. Propane Cylinder Handle-Holder (Urgent: Small canister use is dangerous without this item)
24. Feminine Hygiene/Haircare/Skin products.
25. Thermal underwear (Tops & Bottoms)
26. Bow saws, axes and hatchets, Wedges (also, honing oil)
27. Aluminum Foil Reg. & Heavy Duty (Great Cooking and Barter Item)
28. Gasoline Containers (Plastic & Metal)
29. Garbage Bags (Impossible To Have Too Many).
30. Toilet Paper, Kleenex, Paper Towels
31. Milk - Powdered & Condensed (Shake Liquid every 3 to 4 months)
32. Garden Seeds (Non-Hybrid) (A MUST)
33. Clothes pins/line/hangers (A MUST)
34. Coleman's Pump Repair Kit
35. Tuna Fish (in oil)
36. Fire Extinguishers (or..large box of Baking Soda in every room)
37. First aid kits
38. Batteries (all sizes...buy furthest-out for Expiration Dates)
39. Garlic, spices & vinegar, baking supplies
40. Big Dogs (and plenty of dog food)
41. Flour, yeast & salt
42. Matches. {"Strike Anywhere" preferred.) Boxed, wooden matches will go first
43. Writing paper/pads/pencils, solar calculators
44. Insulated ice chests (good for keeping items from freezing in Wintertime.)
45. Workboots, belts, Levis & durable shirts
46. Flashlights/LIGHTSTICKS & torches, "No. 76 Dietz" Lanterns
47. Journals, Diaries & Scrapbooks (jot down ideas, feelings, experience; Historic Times)
48. Garbage cans Plastic (great for storage, water, transporting - if with wheels)
49. Men's Hygiene: Shampoo, Toothbrush/paste, Mouthwash/floss, nail clippers, etc
50. Cast iron cookware (sturdy, efficient)
51. Fishing supplies/tools
52. Mosquito coils/repellent, sprays/creams
53. Duct Tape
54. Tarps/stakes/twine/nails/rope/spikes
55. Candles
56. Laundry Detergent (liquid)
57. Backpacks, Duffel Bags
58. Garden tools & supplies
59. Scissors, fabrics & sewing supplies
60. Canned Fruits, Veggies, Soups, stews, etc.
61. Bleach (plain, NOT scented: 4 to 6% sodium hypochlorite)
62. Canning supplies, (Jars/lids/wax)
63. Knives & Sharpening tools: files, stones, steel
64. Bicycles...Tires/tubes/pumps/chains, etc
65. Sleeping Bags & blankets/pillows/mats
66. Carbon Monoxide Alarm (battery powered)
67. Board Games, Cards, Dice
68. d-con Rat poison, MOUSE PRUFE II, Roach Killer
69. Mousetraps, Ant traps & cockroach magnets
70. Paper plates/cups/utensils (stock up, folks)
71. Baby wipes, oils, waterless & Antibacterial soap (saves a lot of water)
72. Rain gear, rubberized boots, etc.
73. Shaving supplies (razors & creams, talc, after shave)
74. Hand pumps & siphons (for water and for fuels)
75. Soysauce, vinegar, bullions/gravy/soupbase
76. Reading glasses
77. Chocolate/Cocoa/Tang/Punch (water enhancers)
78. "Survival-in-a-Can"
79. Woolen clothing, scarves/ear-muffs/mittens
80. Boy Scout Handbook, / also Leaders Catalog
81. Roll-on Window Insulation Kit (MANCO)
82. Graham crackers, saltines, pretzels, Trail mix/Jerky
83. Popcorn, Peanut Butter, Nuts
84. Socks, Underwear, T-shirts, etc. (extras)
85. Lumber (all types)
86. Wagons & carts (for transport to and from)
87. Cots & Inflatable mattress's
88. Gloves: Work/warming/gardening, etc.
89. Lantern Hangers
90. Screen Patches, glue, nails, screws,, nuts & bolts
91. Teas
92. Coffee
93. Cigarettes
94. Wine/Liquors (for bribes, medicinal, etc,)
95. Paraffin wax
96. Glue, nails, nuts, bolts, screws, etc.
97. Chewing gum/candies
98. Atomizers (for cooling/bathing)

skylark

Feb 20 2009, 04:03 PM

QUOTE (simple simon @ Feb 18 2009, 04:25 PM)

Thanks Sweeps, message noted.

I was out today and bought some Brussel Sprouts. I was somewhat surprised to see that they were actually grown here in in Britain. So hopefully these will still be available. That said, who actually *likes* these things?

On another list there is a thread about an Argentinian Survivalist and what happened when their economy more or less collapsed a few years ago, and the government raided everyone's bank savings.

It makes for sombre reading.

Someone added to that thread a list of almost 100 things which will disappear fast. Maybe they meant when the economy has reached the stage whereby the masses realise that it really could be about to fail, and not for when international shipping fails, nevertheless it still might be of interest.

Simon

100 Items to Disappear First

1. Generators (Good ones cost dearly. Gas storage, risky. Noisy...target of thieves; maintenance etc.)
2. Water Filters/Purifiers
3. Portable Toilets
4. Seasoned Firewood. Wood takes about 6 - 12 months to become dried, for home uses.
5. Lamp Oil, Wicks, Lamps (First Choice: Buy CLEAR oil. If scarce, stockpile ANY!)
6. Coleman Fuel. Impossible to stockpile too much.
7. Guns, Ammunition, Pepper Spray, Knives, Clubs, Bats & Slingshots.
8. Hand-can openers, & hand egg beaters, whisks.
9. Honey/Syrups/white, brown sugar
10. Rice - Beans - Wheat
11. Vegetable Oil (for cooking) Without it food burns/must be boiled etc.,)
12. Charcoal, Lighter Fluid (Will become scarce suddenly)
13. Water Containers (Urgent Item to obtain.) Any size. Small: HARD CLEAR PLASTIC ONLY - note - food grade if for drinking.
14. Mini Heater head (Propane) (Without this item, propane won't heat a room.)
15. Grain Grinder (Non-electric)
16. Propane Cylinders (Urgent: Definite shortages will occur.
17. Survival Guide Book.
18. Mantles: Aladdin, Coleman, etc. (Without this item, longer-term lighting is difficult.)
19. Baby Supplies: Diapers/formula. ointments/aspirin, etc.
20. Washboards, Mop Bucket w/wringer (for Laundry)
21. Cookstoves (Propane, Coleman & Kerosene)
22. Vitamins
23. Propane Cylinder Handle-Holder (Urgent: Small canister use is dangerous without this item)
24. Feminine Hygiene/Haircare/Skin products.
25. Thermal underwear (Tops & Bottoms)
26. Bow saws, axes and hatchets, Wedges (also, honing oil)
27. Aluminum Foil Reg. & Heavy Duty (Great Cooking and Barter Item)
28. Gasoline Containers (Plastic & Metal)
29. Garbage Bags (Impossible To Have Too Many).
30. Toilet Paper, Kleenex, Paper Towels
31. Milk - Powdered & Condensed (Shake Liquid every 3 to 4 months)
32. Garden Seeds (Non-Hybrid) (A MUST)
33. Clothes pins/line/hangers (A MUST)
34. Coleman's Pump Repair Kit
35. Tuna Fish (in oil)
36. Fire Extinguishers (or..large box of Baking Soda in every room)
37. First aid kits
38. Batteries (all sizes...buy furthest-out for Expiration Dates)
39. Garlic, spices & vinegar, baking supplies
40. Big Dogs (and plenty of dog food)
41. Flour, yeast & salt
42. Matches. {"Strike Anywhere" preferred.) Boxed, wooden matches will go first
43. Writing paper/pads/pencils, solar calculators
44. Insulated ice chests (good for keeping items from freezing in Wintertime.)
45. Workboots, belts, Levis & durable shirts
46. Flashlights/LIGHTSTICKS & torches, "No. 76 Dietz" Lanterns
47. Journals, Diaries & Scrapbooks (jot down ideas, feelings, experience; Historic Times)
48. Garbage cans Plastic (great for storage, water, transporting - if with wheels)
49. Men's Hygiene: Shampoo, Toothbrush/paste, Mouthwash/floss, nail clippers, etc
50. Cast iron cookware (sturdy, efficient)
51. Fishing supplies/tools
52. Mosquito coils/repellent, sprays/creams
53. Duct Tape
54. Tarps/stakes/twine/nails/rope/spikes
55. Candles
56. Laundry Detergent (liquid)
57. Backpacks, Duffel Bags
58. Garden tools & supplies
59. Scissors, fabrics & sewing supplies
60. Canned Fruits, Veggies, Soups, stews, etc.
61. Bleach (plain, NOT scented: 4 to 6% sodium hypochlorite)
62. Canning supplies, (Jars/lids/wax)
63. Knives & Sharpening tools: files, stones, steel
64. Bicycles...Tires/tubes/pumps/chains, etc
65. Sleeping Bags & blankets/pillows/mats
66. Carbon Monoxide Alarm (battery powered)
67. Board Games, Cards, Dice
68. d-con Rat poison, MOUSE PRUFE II, Roach Killer
69. Mousetraps, Ant traps & cockroach magnets
70. Paper plates/cups/utensils (stock up, folks)
71. Baby wipes, oils, waterless & Antibacterial soap (saves a lot of water)
72. Rain gear, rubberized boots, etc.
73. Shaving supplies (razors & creams, talc, after shave)
74. Hand pumps & siphons (for water and for fuels)
75. Soysauce, vinegar, bullions/gravy/soupbase
76. Reading glasses
77. Chocolate/Cocoa/Tang/Punch (water enhancers)
78. "Survival-in-a-Can"
79. Woolen clothing, scarves/ear-muffs/mittens
80. Boy Scout Handbook, / also Leaders Catalog
81. Roll-on Window Insulation Kit (MANCO)
82. Graham crackers, saltines, pretzels, Trail mix/Jerky
83. Popcorn, Peanut Butter, Nuts
84. Socks, Underwear, T-shirts, etc. (extras)
85. Lumber (all types)
86. Wagons & carts (for transport to and from)
87. Cots & Inflatable mattress's
88. Gloves: Work/warming/gardening, etc.
89. Lantern Hangers
90. Screen Patches, glue, nails, screws,, nuts & bolts
91. Teas
92. Coffee
93. Cigarettes
94. Wine/Liquors (for bribes, medicinal, etc,)
95. Paraffin wax
96. Glue, nails, nuts, bolts, screws, etc.
97. Chewing gum/candies
98. Atomizers (for cooling/bathing)

*Right Simon and ALL,
...Good to keep those list items in mind alright. People ARE coming out on the 'NET' with their own lists...that says something about our times now.
I've prepared 'our' lists and stocking up...with family and friends helping & ernestly co-operating all the way. Suggest maybe folks here at the 'Forum' compare notes and offer their own opinions/comments/et al. Thanks for that/'S'

simple simon

Feb 20 2009, 04:46 PM

QUOTE (skylark @ Feb 20 2009, 04:03 PM)

*Right Simon and ALL,
...Good to keep those list items in mind alright. People ARE coming out on the 'NET' with their own lists...that says something about our times now.
I've prepared 'our' lists and stocking up...with family and friends helping & ernestly co-operating all the way. Suggest maybe folks here at the 'Forum' compare notes and offer their own opinions/comments/et al. Thanks for that/'S'
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Hi Sweeps,

Earlier today I was reading about the BDI and other matters on the transcript of a recent Project Camelot interview with Bill Deagle. In some ways it was very 'doom and gloomy', but then so is this thread about the BDI.

Bill also talks about a possible 'Bank Holiday' when the Amero is introduced and that for a few days during the process no plastic card transactions will be possible. He suggested that the spring / summer could be when this happens - I feel sure I heard on the radio yesterday that in April there will be a G20 meeting here in London, which if Bill's info has any substance could be when decisions are made.

What also makes me go 'hmm' is the way our beloved leader is racking up monstrous debts for us taxpayers to repay... could he be planning to the punish the banks by defaulting on these debts??? This may be a crazy idea - but many people would suggest its no more crazy than the level of debts being racked up.

As you know I am on the dole, so could only afford to store many months of supplies if I was to pay by credit card. Maybe though I really out to be doing just this?

Simon

captain

Feb 20 2009, 08:28 PM

QUOTE (simple simon @ Feb 20 2009, 04:46 PM)

Hi Sweeps,

Earlier today I was reading about the BDI and other matters on the transcript of a recent Project Camelot interview with Bill Deagle. In some ways it was very 'doom and gloomy', but then so is this thread about the BDI.

Bill also talks about a possible 'Bank Holiday' when the Amero is introduced and that for a few days during the process no plastic card transactions will be possible. He suggested that the spring / summer could be when this happens - I feel sure I heard on the radio yesterday that in April there will be a G20 meeting here in London, which if Bill's info has any substance could be when decisions are made.

What also makes me go 'hmm' is the way our beloved leader is racking up monstrous debts for us taxpayers to repay... could he be planning to the punish the banks by defaulting on these debts??? This may be a crazy idea - but many people would suggest its no more crazy than the level of debts being racked up.

As you know I am on the dole, so could only afford to store many months of supplies if I was to pay by credit card. Maybe though I really out to be doing just this?

Simon

*Simon,
-In 'this case' couldn't agree more, it's a likely way/scenerio way of doing away with 'Dollar Debts' altogether and then replacing it with the 'AMERO'. And, 'OBAMA' has waivered on his Campaign opposition to NAFTA-'North American Free Trade Zone' too. Bad news everywhere-Captain

skylark

Feb 20 2009, 10:43 PM

QUOTE (captain @ Feb 20 2009, 08:28 PM)

*Simon,
-In 'this case' couldn't agree more, it's a likely way/scenerio way of doing away with 'Dollar Debts' altogether and then replacing it with the 'AMERO'. And, 'OBAMA' has waivered on his Campaign opposition to NAFTA-'North American Free Trade Zone' too. Bad news everywhere-Captain

*'Sweeps' NOTE:
…Hmmm 'Simon' & 'Captain', there is an alternative WAVE of support in the making. It's better/more 'Constitutional' than permitting NAFTA and the 'Amero'. Ready for this? Take a 'Hopeful' look…if this can be done/implemented. Time to unload 'all the baggage' and embrace the Constitution./'S'

This is the only way to go---new debt-free dollars, cancel all existing debt
worldwide from top to bottom and begin anew. That means no more Federal
Reserve or income taxes.

Congressman Calls for Debt-Free Dollars
BY CHRIS PETHERICK

An Ohio congressman has called on the federal government to take back the
power to issue money from the Federal Reserve, the private central bank that
along with Wall Street, is to blame for plunging the world into an economic
crisis not seen since the Great Depression of the 1920s and 1930s.
“The Federal Reserve [is] no more federal than Federal Express,” said Rep.
Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) on the floor of the House of Representatives on Jan
26. “It’s a collection of private bankers that was established in 1913 by
the Federal Reserve Act.”

GOVERNMENT SHOULD ISSUE DEBT-FREE MONEY…SAYS DENNIS KUCINICH

Kucinich called on the federal government to institute monetary reform beginning by issuing debt-free money—dollars that
have not been loaned into circulation at interest by banks.

"We can take a new direction, and that new direction must include monetary reform," said Kucinich.

Kucinich quoted monetary theorist Stephen Zarlenga, the author of The Lost Science of Money, saying, "the bulk of our money is
not created by our government, but by banks when they make private loans."

Kucinich quoted the Constitution as authorizing the government to be the sovereign power to issue money.

"Because of this monetary crisis," he said, "we have an opportunity here. Instead of giving private bankers more power, we need to
incorporate the Federal Reserve into the Treasury where all new money could be created as government money, not as interest-bearing debt."

He also said the government needs to halt the banks' privilege of creating money out of thin air by ending the fractional reserve system.

"Past monetized private credit would be converted into government
money," he said.

"Banks would continue to do what people think they do now under this newapproach," he said. They would only act as intermediaries
by accepting savings deposits and loaning that money or their own cash out to borrowers.

"And what would the government do?" he asked. "Well, we wouldn't have to borrow money and continue to owe money to the banks
to finance the needs of this country."

The proposal came during an hour-long speech by Kucinich, who offered fierce criticism of the banking industry in general, saying that bankers shamelessly exploited legislation, which was supposed to help Americans avoid bankruptcy, in order to get free money from taxpayers.

"It turned out to be a windfall for banks," said Kucinich. "But hold onto your hat, Mr. And Mrs. America, because the banks are not done. They're going to be looking for even more money, [and] they're using this opportunity to game the system."

Kucinich also had choice words for speculators. "We've seen speculation driving this economy. An economy built on gambling,
and not real production, is not sustainable. Moving to a financial sector as a source of profits is an unsustainable Ponzi scheme," he said.

"Remember that this time in our national experience is all about taking wealth from the great mass of the American people—from
your paychecks, wallets and pocketbooks—and just moving it right to the top," he said.

"We're in a world of debt, creating more and more debt in a debt-based economy," said Kucinich. "And the pros, who put us in this
mess, refuse to admit that debt is the problem that put us here."

The current situation is…unique, Kucinich said, because never before in American history have we seen

so much debt. "The growth of our public and private debt from $10.5 trillion to $43 trillion during Alan Greenspan's tenure from 1987 to 2006 gives us some sense of the real magnitude of the problem'.

The Federal Reserve knew this financial meltdown was on its way. "Yet we saw Greenspan pretend he didn't have a clue," he said.
"The Fed didn't do its job."

"Under those circumstances," Kucinich asked, "would Americans want the Fed to have more power?'

"Someone has to stand up for the American taxpayers, and say, 'Stop it, We have to get control of this Federal Reserve." he said.

simple simon

Feb 22 2009, 08:22 PM

Hi all,

Sweeps, this makes me think of 'NESARA'.

Whilst Nesara was a fine - sounding idea it has resulted in much controversy, and I know of one yahoo group where things became so polarised that fed up with the bickering, personal attacks and holier than thou attitudes of the so called 'lightworkers' who refused to hear anything about Nesara which disagreed with their own pre-conceived supportive notions that the group owner ended up closing the group.

In many ways these bullying 'lightworkers' exhibited the same type of blinkered zealotry as the idiotic religious 'believers' who think that doing the Lord's Work includes killing people of different faiths. I am sure you can imagine the ones who I am thinking of - the fact that all sides pay respect to the same 'Divinity' never seems to worry any of them!

At one time I really believed in Nesara. But then I saw how it was always 'about to be announced' but 'something' happened to delay it... and my suspicions were aroused. Now I have to wonder if it is just a tactic of 'dark' beings to keep people forever waiting on a string for an event which is totally false - instead of getting on with their lives. Much of the info about Nesara was chanelled - and as we know, despite what they say no-one listening to the messages ever really knows who is at the other end supplying the info, nor the true aims & ambitions of those supplying the info...

---------------

On the other hand, if this event is really going to happen, then maybe I should rush out and max-out my credit cards buying survival gear - after all, I wont need to pay it back, eh?

Simon

simple simon

Feb 23 2009, 06:10 PM

QUOTE (simple simon @ Dec 28 2008, 09:27 PM)

Its the wrong time of the year to have a day out at the seaside

- and the Euro exchange makes a day out in a European city (such as Dublin) far too expensive....

(anyway, cant plan ahead, in case I find myself being offered a job starting that day - in the computer industry many contract jobs are only offered the day before a person is expected to start!)

Simon

As its now July I've now had the day out at the seaside (I have friends who have a holiday flat there so I went to visit them) and am about to have a day out in Swizterland - fortunately I already have enough Swiss Francs in cash, as the exchange rate is a nightmare.

Depite what I said back in December I might yet have a day in Dublin, as the economic situation is such that I probably should enjoy things while I still can.

Simon

skylark

Jul 26 2009, 12:34 PM

QUOTE (simple simon @ Feb 22 2009, 09:22 PM)

Hi all,

Sweeps, this makes me think of 'NESARA'.

Whilst Nesara was a fine - sounding idea it has resulted in much controversy, and I know of one yahoo group where things became so polarised that fed up with the bickering, personal attacks and holier than thou attitudes of the so called 'lightworkers' who refused to hear anything about Nesara which disagreed with their own pre-conceived supportive notions that the group owner ended up closing the group.

In many ways these bullying 'lightworkers' exhibited the same type of blinkered zealotry as the idiotic religious 'believers' who think that doing the Lord's Work includes killing people of different faiths. I am sure you can imagine the ones who I am thinking of - the fact that all sides pay respect to the same 'Divinity' never seems to worry any of them!

At one time I really believed in Nesara. But then I saw how it was always 'about to be announced' but 'something' happened to delay it... and my suspicions were aroused. Now I have to wonder if it is just a tactic of 'dark' beings to keep people forever waiting on a string for an event which is totally false - instead of getting on with their lives. Much of the info about Nesara was chanelled - and as we know, despite what they say no-one listening to the messages ever really knows who is at the other end supplying the info, nor the true aims & ambitions of those supplying the info...

---------------

On the other hand, if this event is really going to happen, then maybe I should rush out and max-out my credit cards buying survival gear - after all, I wont need to pay it back, eh?

Simon

*Hi All,
...Just 'UPDATED' this Topic, with a 'Sweeps' NOTE and VIDEO to help explain it all to you...in the 1st page of the Topic...about what WILL HAPPEN within a predicted date of 3-4 months. This 'CRASH' will be the BIGGY, and will quite possibly be SOOOO Sudden, and lead to World Wide 'DEPRESSION'....after a brief Inflation period. Yep....sad and True, BUT 'we've' been RIGHT about everything that has already happened...and way ahead of time/'S'

simple simon

Jul 26 2009, 10:15 PM

Yes, double dip / the letter W, as in the 1930's.

Right now however the markets *appear* to be doing comparatively well (as you and the people at the link say) but its all a facade.

The crash might come at about the same time that the swine flu situation becomes more serious, and its possible that as a diversionary tactic the media will focus on the forced mass vaccinations & the 'folly' of those resisting the vaccinations.

Simon

skylark

Jul 27 2009, 09:27 AM

QUOTE (simple simon @ Jul 26 2009, 11:15 PM)

Yes, double dip / the letter W, as in the 1930's.

Right now however the markets *appear* to be doing comparatively well (as you and the people at the link say) but its all a facade.

The crash might come at about the same time that the swine flu situation becomes more serious, and its possible that as a diversionary tactic the media will focus on the forced mass vaccinations & the 'folly' of those resisting the vaccinations.

Simon

*Morning Simon,
...Think if this 'CRASH' comes around Vaccination time, that MAJOR forced Program just might not have the 'Depression Era' Funding to 'do the job on us'.
In Fact...many of the 'Forced Programs' which will/are limiting our freedoms could find themselves 'Out of Work'. Blessings in disguise huh? Well, we can hope...as we all go to 'GrOUND' and back to basics/'S'

simple simon

Jul 27 2009, 12:00 PM

yes I know what you mean but the vaccinations would be declared to be of national importance and that they will still go ahead - which (I am assuming) is what public opinion will want to hear.

However, the program might still be chaotic, underfunded, etc so for those who dont want the jabs it might be easier to slip through the net.

Simon

skylark

Aug 4 2009, 09:33 AM

QUOTE (simple simon @ Jul 27 2009, 01:00 PM)

yes I know what you mean but the vaccinations would be declared to be of national importance and that they will still go ahead - which (I am assuming) is what public opinion will want to hear.

However, the program might still be chaotic, underfunded, etc so for those who dont want the jabs it might be easier to slip through the net.

Simon

*YUP Simon,
...'THEY' wouldn't want anything, especially in the hard times worldwide ahead, to stop the VACCINATION Programme. Their efforts to DEPOPULATE would take on even greater desperation. Tah/'S'

simple simon

Sep 5 2009, 09:09 PM

Hello everyone,

So today (Sat 5th Sept 2009) there is a G20 meeting in London and its been decided that banks must make public info on their highest earners, especially iof the money comes from bonuses.

But the way the media is presenting the news its as if people are being told that the meeting is about the global economy and how to punish the banks and stop them from causing another economic crash.

erm, is the double dip still imminent? The USA still about to keel over?

Despite not having completely banned large bonuses there is still too much almost gloating info at the bank's expense.

So whats not being made public? Is the IMF still looking at a global reserve type currency which could yet replace the US$? I'm getting suspicious as I slip ever nearer my dotage... (not far from the big five-0

)

Maybe I should rush out on Monday and withdraw my remaining money from the bank??? (in cash, of course - although I suppose with an eye on history I could ask for it in tulips, as it cannot be long it becomes worth about as much as those once feted flower bulbs)

Simon

skylark

Sep 9 2009, 01:02 PM

QUOTE (simple simon @ Sep 5 2009, 10:09 PM)

Hello everyone,

So today (Sat 5th Sept 2009) there is a G20 meeting in London and its been decided that banks must make public info on their highest earners, especially iof the money comes from bonuses.

But the way the media is presenting the news its as if people are being told that the meeting is about the global economy and how to punish the banks and stop them from causing another economic crash.

erm, is the double dip still imminent? The USA still about to keel over?

Despite not having completely banned large bonuses there is still too much almost gloating info at the bank's expense.

So whats not being made public? Is the IMF still looking at a global reserve type currency which could yet replace the US$? I'm getting suspicious as I slip ever nearer my dotage... (not far from the big five-0

)

Maybe I should rush out on Monday and withdraw my remaining money from the bank??? (in cash, of course - although I suppose with an eye on history I could ask for it in tulips, as it cannot be long it becomes worth about as much as those once feted flower bulbs)

Simon

**Yes Simon...the BIGGER BUST is heading our way.
*'Sweeps' NOTE:
THE SECOND WAVE OF THE BIG BUST IS COMING…2 VIDEOS in one…recommended.

A second blow in the form of a second major wave of real estate loan defaults is on its way …and nothing can stop it.

*CLICK below on the 'My Website' Link for this UPDATE:
Visit My Website

skylark

Sep 13 2009, 02:10 PM

QUOTE (skylark @ Sep 9 2009, 02:02 PM)

**Yes Simon...the BIGGER BUST is heading our way.
*'Sweeps' NOTE:
THE SECOND WAVE OF THE BIG BUST IS COMING…2 VIDEOS in one…recommended.

A second blow in the form of a second major wave of real estate loan defaults is on its way …and nothing can stop it.

*CLICK below on the 'My Website' Link for this UPDATE:
Visit My Website

*'Sweeps' NOTE:

…An E-mail to me with 2 attached Videos. Seems relevant to the 'Pandemic' SCARE TACTICS alright, and could also be seen as a lead up to MORE 'World Economic Crash' planning. Check um out/'S'

Sweeps, PLEASE READ:
How do you keep a population from going
berserk when they realize that the thieves at
the top have sold them and their country
out from under them?...aka Great Depression II.

You employ a distraction. A new war? Another "terrorist" attack? Nah. Been there. Done that. How about a "pandemic?" The timing is certainly convenient.

Visit My Website

simple simon

Sep 13 2009, 10:50 PM

ETA about 5 weeks from now?

Everyone is told to stay at home unless they work in a special 'reserve' occupation. Then the economy will then 'go down the pan' and most people will be easily hoodwinked into thinking that the epidemic is to blame...

Simon

skylark

Sep 14 2009, 05:25 AM

QUOTE (simple simon @ Sep 13 2009, 11:50 PM)

ETA about 5 weeks from now?

Everyone is told to stay at home unless they work in a special 'reserve' occupation. Then the economy will then 'go down the pan' and most people will be easily hoodwinked into thinking that the epidemic is to blame...

Simon

*OK Simon, and here's the 'next play' to look for/'S'

*'Sweeps' NOTE:
…Here, two diametrically opposed people seem to be in agreement on at least one major issue. George Soros and Ron Paul appear to 'Team Up' to explain what's happening/about to happen to... America/The World we use to know. I'd watch this video…make up your own minds. BTW, we will be lucky to have it as good as Russia did. They all had backyard gardens. Americans don't. The British…would be well advised to 'get rid of Gordon Brown'. Well, see for yourselves /'S'

'Seriousness of the Crisis can not be Exaggerated Closest Comparison is the
Collapse of the Soviet Union'…so says George Soros

Ron Paul On Our Pending Nightmare…

Ron Paul on the Glen Beck Show September 72009 discusses the changes going
on with the entire US economic system. Also take note of what George Soros
said at Columbia University last Friday and threat to the United States of
America as we know it today. Gerald Celente has said that we are about to
experience a scenario 'like nothing we've ever seen in our life time'…and Ron
Paul and George Soros seem to agree. This is far from being over folks.

*CLICK below on the 'My Website' Link for this 5 minute-valuable Video:
Visit My Website

simple simon

Sep 14 2009, 10:00 PM

in recent weeks the news media has been telling us how much property prices are starting to recover... and along with the talk of 'green shoots' etc so many people are being lulled into thinking that the recovery is underway. OK, slow, but its started....

BUT

In today's London Daily Telegraph is an article saying that the house price increases will soon stop and the downward spiral will resume....

'nuff said', as the saying goes.

Simon

PS 'nuff' = 'enough'

simple simon

Sep 15 2009, 06:32 PM

and in today's Business section (Tuesday 15th) they have an article which talks about a 'double dip'.

Simon

simple simon

Sep 18 2009, 09:01 PM

hmm, its getting closer - and the issue of Swine Flu vaccinations may occur at about the same time - to divert people's focus away fom the looming possible ugly mess.

Simon

How To Prepare For China's Coming Derivative Default

In case you have not heard the news, China has announced that it will be instructing its state-owned enterprises to potentially default on their derivatives contracts. As I have written extensively in the past, the derivatives market is a massive time bomb just waiting to go off. China's latest move may be the match that lights the fuse.

All told, US Commercial banks own $202 trillion in derivatives in notional value. To put that number into perspective, it's roughly four times the global GDP. And 96% of this exposure sits on five banks' balance sheets. I've shown the below chart before, but it's worth re-visiting (chart is denominated in TRILLIONS).

Of course, not ALL of the $202 trillion these guys own is "at risk." As their name implies, derivatives are "derived" from underlying assets (homes, debt, etc). The actual "at risk" money can be far FAR smaller than the "notional" value of derivatives outstanding.

However, when you're talking about $200+ trillion, even a marginal amount of "at risk" money can mean ENORMOUS losses. Consider, if 1% of that $200 trillion were at risk, you're talking about $2 trillion in capital. Now, if even 10% of those bets go bad, you're talking about $200 billion in losses.

Now consider that, combined, the top five banks (JP Morgan, Goldman, BofA, Citi, and HSBC) have roughly $700 billion in equity.

And that represents only 1% of the outstanding derivatives that are actually "at risk." Given the over-leveraged, stupid plays Wall Street made on mortgage-backed securities and credit default swaps (both investments that had SOME degree of oversight, even if it were paltry), as well as the fact that derivatives are COMPLETELY unregulated, I would argue it's quite possible that as much as 5% or even 10% of the derivatives outstanding could be "at risk."

In that case, we're talking about $10-$20 trillion in "at risk" capital. If even 10% of these bets go wrong, you've wiped out ALL the equity at all five banks AND THEN SOME

<snip>

http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_08/summers091409pv.html

skylark

Sep 19 2009, 01:07 AM

QUOTE (simple simon @ Sep 18 2009, 10:01 PM)

hmm, its getting closer - and the issue of Swine Flu vaccinations may occur at about the same time - to divert people's focus away fom the looming possible ugly mess.

Simon

How To Prepare For China's Coming Derivative Default

In case you have not heard the news, China has announced that it will be instructing its state-owned enterprises to potentially default on their derivatives contracts. As I have written extensively in the past, the derivatives market is a massive time bomb just waiting to go off. China's latest move may be the match that lights the fuse.

All told, US Commercial banks own $202 trillion in derivatives in notional value. To put that number into perspective, it's roughly four times the global GDP. And 96% of this exposure sits on five banks' balance sheets. I've shown the below chart before, but it's worth re-visiting (chart is denominated in TRILLIONS).

Of course, not ALL of the $202 trillion these guys own is "at risk." As their name implies, derivatives are "derived" from underlying assets (homes, debt, etc). The actual "at risk" money can be far FAR smaller than the "notional" value of derivatives outstanding.

However, when you're talking about $200+ trillion, even a marginal amount of "at risk" money can mean ENORMOUS losses. Consider, if 1% of that $200 trillion were at risk, you're talking about $2 trillion in capital. Now, if even 10% of those bets go bad, you're talking about $200 billion in losses.

Now consider that, combined, the top five banks (JP Morgan, Goldman, BofA, Citi, and HSBC) have roughly $700 billion in equity.

And that represents only 1% of the outstanding derivatives that are actually "at risk." Given the over-leveraged, stupid plays Wall Street made on mortgage-backed securities and credit default swaps (both investments that had SOME degree of oversight, even if it were paltry), as well as the fact that derivatives are COMPLETELY unregulated, I would argue it's quite possible that as much as 5% or even 10% of the derivatives outstanding could be "at risk."

In that case, we're talking about $10-$20 trillion in "at risk" capital. If even 10% of these bets go wrong, you've wiped out ALL the equity at all five banks AND THEN SOME

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http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_08/summers091409pv.html

*YUP Simon,
...'THE DERIVITIVES', next Biggy...but think the estimates here are TOO low.
This is also not helped by all these 'Stimulus Packages' by governments...mostly bailing out the BANKS. This of course 'unloads' all the debt on the 'Little Guy' again...in taxes/job losses/small business closures. As the below poster shows...this is what it all leads up to for the common guy/gal/'S'
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simple simon

Sep 23 2009, 10:00 PM

In the London Daily Telegraph today I read that one bank says that the £Pound is likely to fall against the Euro and another bank says that the recent fall in the £pound's value will help exports and British Industry so that we will even have a trade surplus - for the first time in decades. Oh and that as a result the £Pound is likely to rise in value...

With the different banks saying opposing things its hard to know whats likely to be the situation in a few months from now....

Except that exchange rates of a few years ago are unlikely to be seen again, at least not for a while... making visits to 'Euroland' more expensive Sob, weep, etc.

Simon

skylark

Sep 24 2009, 10:10 AM

QUOTE (simple simon @ Sep 23 2009, 11:00 PM)

In the London Daily Telegraph today I read that one bank says that the £Pound is likely to fall against the Euro and another bank says that the recent fall in the £pound's value will help exports and British Industry so that we will even have a trade surplus - for the first time in decades. Oh and that as a result the £Pound is likely to rise in value...

With the different banks saying opposing things its hard to know whats likely to be the situation in a few months from now....

Except that exchange rates of a few years ago are unlikely to be seen again, at least not for a while... making visits to 'Euroland' more expensive Sob, weep, etc.

Simon

*Like that sour speculation Simon,
...Well, it is 'right on'.
Might want to check out this 'Longish Video' with George Green speaking at a Camelot 'gig'-below/goes into your/my fears:

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*Hey bro...never got back to me about the Lisbon Treaty Talk 'Sweeps' Fox Show, I'd sent you. Yeah yeah, know you're busy/'S'

simple simon

Sep 25 2009, 08:15 PM

QUOTE (skylark @ Sep 24 2009, 11:10 AM)

*Hey bro...never got back to me about the Lisbon Treaty Talk 'Sweeps' Fox Show, I'd sent you. Yeah yeah, know you're busy/'S'

Sorry, it was just a matter of scheduling. As I was out at work during the day and for some evenings out in the evening too I always intended to listen over the coming weekend. I found that rising at 6.15am meant that I had to get to bed earlier than when I was unemployed, so left it for a time when I would be able to sit down and listen.

As you may have seen in another message, at 5.15pm this afternoon I was informed that the company where I was working on a trial had decided to solve its staffing issues 'in house', so that I am now unemployed again. But I still intend to listen this weekend - probably Saturday evening.

Simon

skylark

Sep 26 2009, 08:43 AM

QUOTE (simple simon @ Sep 25 2009, 09:15 PM)

Sorry, it was just a matter of scheduling. As I was out at work during the day and for some evenings out in the evening too I always intended to listen over the coming weekend. I found that rising at 6.15am meant that I had to get to bed earlier than when I was unemployed, so left it for a time when I would be able to sit down and listen.

As you may have seen in another message, at 5.15pm this afternoon I was informed that the company where I was working on a trial had decided to solve its staffing issues 'in house', so that I am now unemployed again. But I still intend to listen this weekend - probably Saturday evening.

Simon

*Yes...the 'Plight' of it all,
...Sent you a personal E-mail on this, with some hope.
As for the Radio show...see what's really happening and what this is all about!

'The NO Vote'...is moving ahead with FORCE, even at this late date as we submit this...despite the Media Monopoly.Those Pro-Lisbon Treaty polititians..Including 'Cowen' have betrayed their OATHS to Defend and protect the Irish Constitution. This was an Oath taken on being elected. In effect they are Treasonous, and should be treated as Traitors to the Irish Republic/Constitution.They WILL be held accountable for this action...supporting trading away the Irish Republic to Bussels. Had NO ONE thought of this? They will be treated as such, by Citizen tribunals.They are Marked.Again...go to the free 'Sweeps Fox Show' on 'The Lisbon Treaty Talk'...which is free to listen to/download, on the 'Home Page' or on the Calender in the 'Forum'.I suggest citizens listen to this...it has all the facts of corruption and detailed accounts of just what this means, re what is a 'Constitutional Referendum' we'll be voting on. It is NOT a 'Treaty'/'S'

skylark

Feb 9 2010, 11:44 AM

QUOTE (skylark @ Sep 26 2009, 08:43 AM)

*Yes...the 'Plight' of it all,
...Sent you a personal E-mail on this, with some hope.
As for the Radio show...see what's really happening and what this is all about!

'The NO Vote'...is moving ahead with FORCE, even at this late date as we submit this...despite the Media Monopoly.Those Pro-Lisbon Treaty polititians..Including 'Cowen' have betrayed their OATHS to Defend and protect the Irish Constitution. This was an Oath taken on being elected. In effect they are Treasonous, and should be treated as Traitors to the Irish Republic/Constitution.They WILL be held accountable for this action...supporting trading away the Irish Republic to Bussels. Had NO ONE thought of this? They will be treated as such, by Citizen tribunals.They are Marked.Again...go to the free 'Sweeps Fox Show' on 'The Lisbon Treaty Talk'...which is free to listen to/download, on the 'Home Page' or on the Calender in the 'Forum'.I suggest citizens listen to this...it has all the facts of corruption and detailed accounts of just what this means, re what is a 'Constitutional Referendum' we'll be voting on. It is NOT a 'Treaty'/'S'

CEO/CFOs/Police Chiefs are Resigning Fast! What's coming 'that we don't know'?

*'Sweeps' NOTE:
I can't remember this many heads resigning unexpectedly in such a short
period. Most notably are telecoms, banks and energy companies. People who
would have insider knowledge if something huge were about to happen. Please
add any more you can find here. I stopped at 50, but there are more,
including lots of board members and other executives.
AND…hey everyone please pay attention to the Situation in Europe…i.e. Greece.
You may find some of the answers to what's to come. It seems that the start of the
economic final crash may be less than 30 days ahead. If that ends up being
the case the resignations make a lot of sense .. the CEOs don't want their
name stamped in a sinking boat .. and police chiefs don't want to be
responsible for the bloodshed they know it's coming when social chaos breaks
loose. I just hope they are not already heading to their D.U.M.B. basses,
otherwise we all could be facing Doom/'S'

It would be hard to remember this many heads resigning unexpectedly in such a short
period. Most notably are telecoms, banks and energy companies. People who
would have insider knowledge if something huge were about to happen. Please
add any more you can find here. I stopped at 50, but there are more,
including lots of board members and other executives.

1. Sun Microsystems
2. Royal Bank of Scotland
3. Bank Leumi of Israel
4. Lenovo
5. Wellpoint (on March 1)
6. Ingersoll-Rand
7. Gasco
8. Syntel
9. Motion Picture Television Fund
10. GrainCorp
11. Connaught Plc
12. Netplay TV
13. AgResearch
14. Zain Telecom
15. Ethan Allen Institute
16. Fahrney-Keedy Home & Village
17. Nordzucker
18. France Telecom
19. TransWorld Entertainment
20. Parlux
21. Medical Developments International Ltd
22. PBR (on March 1)
23. Aeropostale
24. Cook Islands Tourism
25. Uranium International Corp
26. San Francisco AIDS Foundation
27. Borders Books
28. YTB International
29. Western Australia Business News
30. Bergen Group Rosenberg
31. Phumelela
32. Bartow Regional Medical Center
33. NV Energy (CFO)
34. Shanda Interactive
35. NB Power
36. Empire Aero
37. Argentina Central Bank
38. Hong Kong Exchanges & Clearing (CFO)
39. Arbitron
40. Lihir Gold Ltd
41. Meredith Corp
42. Red Bull
43. Golden Harp
44. Endo Pharma
45. Nuplex
46. CLICO
47. Mirada (chairman)
48. Remedial Offshore
49. Abercrombie & Fitch Co
50. Commerce Resources (CFO)

Also does anyone find all these POLICE CHIEFS RESIGNING weird? This report
was dated on Feb.7th, 2010. What are your thoughts about this?

1. Gaithersburg, MD Gaithersburg Police Chief John King resigned with little
explanation last week, leaving his colleagues and community members
wondering what happened.
2. Guttenberg, IA Police Chief Resigns After Seven Months on the Job, no
reason
3. Harrisburg, PA - Richard Pickles retires after serving a month as
Harrisburg police chief
4. Culpeper, VA When Scott Barlow announced two weeks ago he would step down
from his job as chief of police with the town of Culpeper, it caught a lot
of people off guard, including us.
5. Carbondale, IL - Police Chief Resigns, no reason given
6. Austin, MN - Several Austin City Council members said they were "shocked"
by Austin Police Chief Paul Philipp's resignation Tuesday morning.
7. Jonesboro, GA - The City of Jonesboro's new police chief has resigned,
five weeks after being named to the top job.
8. Manassas, VA - found this quote: "I hope the Chief enjoys his retirement.
Between his service in the Secret Service, Fairfax and Manassas, he's earned
it."
9. West Covina, CA - Tolich, a 21-year veteran of the force, retired nine
years before he was eligible for full retirement benefits, Finance Director
Thomas Bachman said.

In an email Tolich sent to members of the department, he tells fellow
officers that a personal matter involving him and his family led to the
sudden departure. Bear in mind that a seasoned cop could probably make a pretty believable alibi for leaving.

simple simon

Feb 10 2010, 09:07 PM

Volvo Chairman - Finn Johnsson - link

A year ago London Underground managing director, Tim O'Toole, surprised people by suddenly quiting - link

DUMBS? Wanting to be out the way when solar storms start up in earnest? Know something secret about global tectonics?

Simon

skylark

Feb 10 2010, 10:00 PM

QUOTE (simple simon @ Feb 10 2010, 09:07 PM)

Volvo Chairman - Finn Johnsson - link

A year ago London Underground managing director, Tim O'Toole, surprised people by suddenly quiting - link

DUMBS? Wanting to be out the way when solar storms start up in earnest? Know something secret about global tectonics?

Simon

*BINGO Simon,
...You asked the right question. Best cheers/'S'

simple simon

Feb 11 2010, 09:08 PM

copied from elsewhere...

Simon

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Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 11:53 AM
Subject: Multi-D News my spidey sense is tingling

Just so you know folks, this is a forward from another group, it is not me after saying this little disclaimer. Gary

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I very rarely do this, but I am just pointing out some things that taken together make me concerned, this is just analysis, so do your own thinking...

just looking at the events, and get a feeling bad things are afoot (very bad)

here is a partial list

1. Israeli ships moving into the persian gulf

http://www.paltelegraph.com/columnis...ry-perspective

2. Massive Airstrikes in S. Afghanistan (which is cornered on Pakistan & Iran Border)

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/...in-helmand-820

3. Secret Mossad/ CIA meeting

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id...onid=351020202

4. Unprecedented massive snowstorms have shutdown the federal govt (most of the mid atlantic/northeast) (even more snow is coming) no planes, no trains, no trucks, or cars, interstates are shutdown completely.

(10's of millions are stranded)

McCanney has covered satellite lasers and how they generate and steer low pressure systems

no congress critters flying in or out, no protests to a new war, no federal govt
etc

5. Iran has promised some "stunning surprise" for 2/11 (11 is the number of israel, the eternal number, i.e. 9/11 or 7/7 or 3/11, all mossad calling cards)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...niversary.html

6. winter olympics starts on Friday 2/12

7. China has openly suggested dumping the dollar/treasuries (economic war) the chinese are known for their subtlety, this is completely out of character

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6183KG20100209

there aremore, each of these events taken as 1 or 2 could be "coincidence"

combine them all

and the odds are pretty staggering IMO